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RAM comparison thread
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RAM comparison thread
Hello!
There are often tests online about RAM usage, but test with applications actually running on it are more rare. I am not necessarily looking for a scientific comparison with identical applications. Instead, I would like to see where you can do your everyday tasks with the least use of resources and the applications of your own choice. How much RAM is used when everything is running? (No one really works on an empty desktop.)
The applications I have chosen for this test, if anyone wants to compare numbers, are the following:
Terminal
Web browser
File manager
Video player
Word processor
In order to get a fair comparison, we need the following rules:
1. State your version of Debian, the desktop environment/window manager and the name of your applications!
2. State if 32 or 64 bit.
3. State your results after boot (free -m from the terminal) and free -m again with all applications running.
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I volunteer to start
1. Debian 8.3, Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.3, running the following applications:
Terminal=Konsole
Web browser=Konqueror
File manager=Konqueror (both file manager and web browser open during test, of course)
Video player=KMPlayer
Word processor=KWord (blank page)
2. 32 bit
3. My results after fresh boot: 97MB
My results with everything running: 133MB
There are often tests online about RAM usage, but test with applications actually running on it are more rare. I am not necessarily looking for a scientific comparison with identical applications. Instead, I would like to see where you can do your everyday tasks with the least use of resources and the applications of your own choice. How much RAM is used when everything is running? (No one really works on an empty desktop.)
The applications I have chosen for this test, if anyone wants to compare numbers, are the following:
Terminal
Web browser
File manager
Video player
Word processor
In order to get a fair comparison, we need the following rules:
1. State your version of Debian, the desktop environment/window manager and the name of your applications!
2. State if 32 or 64 bit.
3. State your results after boot (free -m from the terminal) and free -m again with all applications running.
---------------------------------
I volunteer to start
1. Debian 8.3, Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.3, running the following applications:
Terminal=Konsole
Web browser=Konqueror
File manager=Konqueror (both file manager and web browser open during test, of course)
Video player=KMPlayer
Word processor=KWord (blank page)
2. 32 bit
3. My results after fresh boot: 97MB
My results with everything running: 133MB
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Re: RAM comparison thread
Memory use on Devuan Jessie 64 bit with iceweasel 44.0.2 running with four pages open. xfce4-terminal, vlc and thunar 1.6.3 running. No wordprocessing programs running.
With Lazarus Free Object Pascal IDE running after compiling a moderately complex GUI application.
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Private + Shared = RAM used Program
116.0 KiB + 14.0 KiB = 130.0 KiB uuidd
164.0 KiB + 34.5 KiB = 198.5 KiB gnome-pty-helper
196.0 KiB + 29.5 KiB = 225.5 KiB atd
232.0 KiB + 38.5 KiB = 270.5 KiB init
236.0 KiB + 79.0 KiB = 315.0 KiB rpc.idmapd
192.0 KiB + 142.5 KiB = 334.5 KiB avahi-autoipd (2)
304.0 KiB + 41.0 KiB = 345.0 KiB dbus-launch
324.0 KiB + 75.5 KiB = 399.5 KiB cron
368.0 KiB + 40.0 KiB = 408.0 KiB acpid
396.0 KiB + 15.0 KiB = 411.0 KiB ssh-agent
372.0 KiB + 42.5 KiB = 414.5 KiB gpg-agent
464.0 KiB + 129.5 KiB = 593.5 KiB rpcbind
528.0 KiB + 124.0 KiB = 652.0 KiB xfconfd
528.0 KiB + 221.5 KiB = 749.5 KiB su
660.0 KiB + 136.5 KiB = 796.5 KiB rpc.statd
668.0 KiB + 205.5 KiB = 873.5 KiB at-spi-bus-launcher
1.0 MiB + 60.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB udevd
888.0 KiB + 255.0 KiB = 1.1 MiB getty (6)
912.0 KiB + 266.0 KiB = 1.2 MiB polkitd
1.1 MiB + 161.0 KiB = 1.2 MiB xscreensaver
1.2 MiB + 62.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB rsyslogd
984.0 KiB + 394.0 KiB = 1.3 MiB dbus-daemon (2)
1.5 MiB + 41.0 KiB = 1.5 MiB wpa_supplicant
1.4 MiB + 313.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB console-kit-daemon
1.4 MiB + 593.0 KiB = 1.9 MiB upowerd
1.6 MiB + 503.5 KiB = 2.1 MiB x-session-manag
1.7 MiB + 610.0 KiB = 2.3 MiB panel-3-systray
2.3 MiB + 186.5 KiB = 2.5 MiB privoxy
2.1 MiB + 544.0 KiB = 2.6 MiB xfsettingsd
2.4 MiB + 573.5 KiB = 2.9 MiB xfce4-power-manager
2.0 MiB + 917.0 KiB = 2.9 MiB xfce4-notifyd
2.5 MiB + 852.0 KiB = 3.3 MiB bash (2)
3.9 MiB + 447.0 KiB = 4.3 MiB tumblerd
4.0 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 5.2 MiB xfwm4
3.8 MiB + 1.5 MiB = 5.3 MiB xfdesktop
4.3 MiB + 1.6 MiB = 5.9 MiB xfce4-terminal
6.1 MiB + 921.5 KiB = 7.0 MiB xfce4-volumed
6.5 MiB + 1.0 MiB = 7.5 MiB simple-netaid
5.8 MiB + 2.0 MiB = 7.8 MiB Thunar
6.9 MiB + 1.5 MiB = 8.3 MiB xfce4-panel
12.7 MiB + 539.0 KiB = 13.3 MiB slim
13.6 MiB + 175.0 KiB = 13.8 MiB dhclient (2)
19.6 MiB + 5.6 MiB = 25.1 MiB Xorg
43.2 MiB + 5.8 MiB = 49.0 MiB vlc
234.5 MiB + 2.9 MiB = 237.5 MiB iceweasel
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427.8 MiB
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40.3 MiB + 196.5 KiB = 40.4 MiB gdb
52.4 MiB + 1.6 MiB = 54.0 MiB lazarus
10.3 MiB + 1.0 MiB = 11.3 MiB ecalc
Last edited by edbarx on 2016-03-08 20:07, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: RAM comparison thread
root@refracta:/home/user# ps_mem.py | grep iceweasel
451.1 MiB + 7.8 MiB = 458.8 MiB iceweasel
compared to the 130 MB when using konqueror ... guess i got to have another look at konqueror
To put it different: The webbrowser is the main problem for me. Else i could easily live with 512 MB.
451.1 MiB + 7.8 MiB = 458.8 MiB iceweasel
compared to the 130 MB when using konqueror ... guess i got to have another look at konqueror
To put it different: The webbrowser is the main problem for me. Else i could easily live with 512 MB.
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Re: RAM comparison thread
Konqueror is not that good for web browsing. Many sites are broken, so you're pretty much stuck with Iceweasel or Chrome for those sites.lukas wrote:root@refracta:/home/user# ps_mem.py | grep iceweasel
451.1 MiB + 7.8 MiB = 458.8 MiB iceweasel
compared to the 130 MB when using konqueror ... guess i got to have another look at konqueror
To put it different: The webbrowser is the main problem for me. Else i could easily live with 512 MB.
Anyway, TDE (KDE3) is pretty efficient when you stick with TDE applications.
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Re: RAM comparison thread
I am fine with a wm or xfce. When it comes to RAM-usage it doesn't matter, like said.
How did you install TDE? The only option i know would be exegnulinux http://exegnulinux.net/
How did you install TDE? The only option i know would be exegnulinux http://exegnulinux.net/
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Re: RAM comparison thread
Lukas: Look in the howto section.
[HowTo] Install and configure Debian bookworm
Debian 12 | KDE Plasma | ThinkPad T440s | 4 × Intel® Core™ i7-4600U CPU @ 2.10GHz | 12 GiB RAM | Mesa Intel® HD Graphics 4400 | 1 TB SSD
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Re: RAM comparison thread
found it (i am the man, huh?)
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=573234
back to topic, konqueror has nice RAM usage:
root@refracta:/home/user# ps_mem.py | grep konqueror
48.4 MiB + 8.8 MiB = 57.2 MiB konqueror
but is kinda broken on facebook. grml ...
Oh my.
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=573234
back to topic, konqueror has nice RAM usage:
root@refracta:/home/user# ps_mem.py | grep konqueror
48.4 MiB + 8.8 MiB = 57.2 MiB konqueror
but is kinda broken on facebook. grml ...
Oh my.
Re: RAM comparison thread
I tried the KDE 3 fork, also known as Trinity Desktop, but it consumed 466 Mega Bytes only to be loaded . With applications running 1 Giga Bytes were exceeded, and to add insult to injury, there were applications that I couldn't remove. Attempting to remove the latter resulted into a monstrous package uninstallation that I only simulated until I decided to deliver the blow of grace to completely remove and purge Trinity Desktop. For the future, I think, Fluxbox can be useful.
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Re: RAM comparison thread
Hello All
Fun thread. I suspect that the way the kernel allocates RAM will depend on the amount of RAM in the machine, so can we all please state that or simply copy the output of free -m?
Below a series of measurements on my minimal Jessie 32 bit install on a Thinkpad X200 with 2Gb of RAM and a 64Gb SSD. Goes like brown stuff off a shovel. Loving the dwm/dmenu/surf desktop. Using ifconfig/wpasupplicant for wifi and pmount for external storage.
Below for fresh boot into X with a dwm and a single xterm
Below with one xterm running, the Surf Web browser with one window on this forum (Javascript not disabled), LibreOffice with a fresh Writer document and one sentence, PCManFM file manager showing the multifarious content of my home drive and VLC playing Music for 18 Musicians by Steve Reich as performed by Eighth Blackbird (YouTube via youtube-dl)
Below an analysis of the full session using ./ps_mem.py as others have posted here
Finally, I can't help post the output of pstree below...
As I mentioned on the alternative Web browser thread, I find the suckless software Web browser Surf to be stable if possibly insecure. The dwb browser I found to be very crashy which is a shame as I like the UI. VLC is running at cpu=25% on this core-duo laptop, running the mp4 video full screen at 1280x700.
Fun thread. I suspect that the way the kernel allocates RAM will depend on the amount of RAM in the machine, so can we all please state that or simply copy the output of free -m?
Below a series of measurements on my minimal Jessie 32 bit install on a Thinkpad X200 with 2Gb of RAM and a 64Gb SSD. Goes like brown stuff off a shovel. Loving the dwm/dmenu/surf desktop. Using ifconfig/wpasupplicant for wifi and pmount for external storage.
Below for fresh boot into X with a dwm and a single xterm
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total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 1966 162 1804 16 13 88
-/+ buffers/cache: 59 1906
Swap: 2518 0 2518
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total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 1966 506 1460 47 20 325
-/+ buffers/cache: 159 1806
Swap: 2518 0 2518
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Private + Shared = RAM used Program
84.0 KiB + 67.5 KiB = 151.5 KiB sleep
76.0 KiB + 87.5 KiB = 163.5 KiB sh
76.0 KiB + 94.5 KiB = 170.5 KiB startx
152.0 KiB + 77.5 KiB = 229.5 KiB atd
168.0 KiB + 124.5 KiB = 292.5 KiB xinit
176.0 KiB + 175.5 KiB = 351.5 KiB avahi-autoipd (2)
276.0 KiB + 143.5 KiB = 419.5 KiB cron
484.0 KiB + 55.5 KiB = 539.5 KiB rpc.idmapd
356.0 KiB + 228.5 KiB = 584.5 KiB rpcbind
376.0 KiB + 235.5 KiB = 611.5 KiB su
560.0 KiB + 224.0 KiB = 784.0 KiB login
596.0 KiB + 232.5 KiB = 828.5 KiB rpc.statd
528.0 KiB + 309.5 KiB = 837.5 KiB dwm
584.0 KiB + 396.5 KiB = 980.5 KiB agetty (5)
1.1 MiB + 135.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB exim4
1.1 MiB + 157.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB systemd-udevd
1.2 MiB + 136.0 KiB = 1.3 MiB systemd-journald
1.0 MiB + 544.5 KiB = 1.5 MiB oosplash
1.5 MiB + 121.0 KiB = 1.6 MiB rsyslogd
1.8 MiB + 376.5 KiB = 2.2 MiB wpa_supplicant
2.1 MiB + 161.0 KiB = 2.2 MiB systemd
1.7 MiB + 553.5 KiB = 2.2 MiB sshd
3.8 MiB + 1.6 MiB = 5.4 MiB bash (7)
5.6 MiB + 696.0 KiB = 6.3 MiB xterm
4.9 MiB + 4.5 MiB = 9.5 MiB pcmanfm
9.3 MiB + 697.0 KiB = 9.9 MiB dhclient (2)
20.6 MiB + 3.9 MiB = 24.5 MiB Xorg
35.2 MiB + 6.1 MiB = 41.3 MiB surf
78.0 MiB + 4.2 MiB = 82.1 MiB soffice.bin
76.8 MiB + 5.7 MiB = 82.5 MiB vlc
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281.8 MiB
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keith@foo:~$ pstree -A
systemd-+-5*[agetty]
|-atd
|-avahi-autoipd---avahi-autoipd
|-bash---surf-+-{dconf worker}
| `-4*[{surf}]
|-bash---oosplash-+-soffice.bin-+-{OfficeIPCThread}
| | |-{SelectionManage}
| | `-{rtl_cache_wsupd}
| |-{oosplash}
| `-{rtl_cache_wsupd}
|-bash---pcmanfm---{gmain}
|-bash---vlc---11*[{vlc}]
|-bash---leafpad
|-cron
|-2*[dhclient]
|-exim4
|-login---bash---startx---xinit-+-Xorg
| `-dwm-+-sh---sleep
| `-xterm---bash---pstree
|-rpc.idmapd
|-rpc.statd
|-rpcbind
|-rsyslogd-+-{in:imklog}
| |-{in:imuxsock}
| `-{rs:main Q:Reg}
|-sshd
|-systemd-journal
|-systemd-udevd
`-wpa_supplicant
Re: RAM comparison thread
Good point.keithpeter wrote:Hello All
Fun thread. I suspect that the way the kernel allocates RAM will depend on the amount of RAM in the machine, so can we all please state that or simply copy the output of free -m?
The laptop has got 1 Gig of RAM, the desktop 4 Gigs. On both iceweasel ist the main problem and using ~ 400 MB after a short while. The rest of the software mentioned in the OP i don't use anyway (well: tilda as a terminal-emulator, it uses 3 MB, nothing which matters).
Re: RAM comparison thread
Sorry dude, but I don't believe you. If that's the stats you get reported, then something is seriously wrong with whatever you use to report it. File a bug-reportHallvor wrote:
1. Debian 8.3, Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.3, running the following applications:
Terminal=Konsole
Web browser=Konqueror
File manager=Konqueror (both file manager and web browser open during test, of course)
Video player=KMPlayer
Word processor=KWord (blank page)
2. 32 bit
3. My results after fresh boot: 97MB
My results with everything running: 133MB
spacex(ew)
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Re: RAM comparison thread
Should the open documents not be standardised? I mean, a word processor with a blank document and a video player which is not playing a video are pointless improbable examples. What about a word processor displaying a small (250+ words) essay with active orthographic correction and a web browser with at least to active tabs displaying a newspaper and e-mail?
Moreover, in my case a video player would not even be open if I were working on a word processor. Yet, and for the purposes of this thread, the memory consumption would depend on the quality and length of the displayed video.
Moreover, in my case a video player would not even be open if I were working on a word processor. Yet, and for the purposes of this thread, the memory consumption would depend on the quality and length of the displayed video.
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Re: RAM comparison thread
For the sake of (pseudo?) science I'll test again later (and post the output of free -m).spacex wrote:Sorry dude, but I don't believe you. If that's the stats you get reported, then something is seriously wrong with whatever you use to report it. File a bug-reportHallvor wrote:
1. Debian 8.3, Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.3, running the following applications:
Terminal=Konsole
Web browser=Konqueror
File manager=Konqueror (both file manager and web browser open during test, of course)
Video player=KMPlayer
Word processor=KWord (blank page)
2. 32 bit
3. My results after fresh boot: 97MB
My results with everything running: 133MB
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Re: RAM comparison thread (Pure TDE awesomeness) :)
Here are some pics with free -m output and applications running in the background:
Clean boot (just Konsole):
With Konsole and Konqueror web browser:
With Konsole, Konqueror web browser and Konqueror file manager:
With Konsole, Konqueror web browser, Konqueror file manager and KMplayer (video player):
With Konsole, Konqueror web browser, Konqueror file manager, KMplayer and Kword (word processor):
Clean boot (just Konsole):
With Konsole and Konqueror web browser:
With Konsole, Konqueror web browser and Konqueror file manager:
With Konsole, Konqueror web browser, Konqueror file manager and KMplayer (video player):
With Konsole, Konqueror web browser, Konqueror file manager, KMplayer and Kword (word processor):
[HowTo] Install and configure Debian bookworm
Debian 12 | KDE Plasma | ThinkPad T440s | 4 × Intel® Core™ i7-4600U CPU @ 2.10GHz | 12 GiB RAM | Mesa Intel® HD Graphics 4400 | 1 TB SSD
Debian 12 | KDE Plasma | ThinkPad T440s | 4 × Intel® Core™ i7-4600U CPU @ 2.10GHz | 12 GiB RAM | Mesa Intel® HD Graphics 4400 | 1 TB SSD
Re: RAM comparison thread
Running TDE here on a number of Debian systems since it was first forked. I never experienced what edbarx wrote about TDE in dozens+ of TDE installs (but not nearly as good as Hallvor posted). It's normally similar resource usage to xfce4, which I also use. A TDE installation can be anything from tde-base-trinity (basic DE) to tde-trinity (monster meta). That might make a difference, I don't install the meta. Whether you use a display manager (on this box, TDM) or startx likely counts.
One machine here, a dell tower with only 512 ram running wheezy+TDE can do web, libreoffice and video.
At the moment all I got available is a 64-bit Devuan/Jessie +TDE system available, on an old Lenovo with intel core2 and 1G ram. I'm also running consolekit(2) and wicd, both known resource hogs. A terminal and text editor are already open.
Sorry, this is a quite unscientific test, on what's not even pure Debian.. point is, all of these things can be done with only 1G ram (or less) while running a fully-featured DE.
Startup:
+ Open iceweasel at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=127436:
+ Open libreoffice writer:
+ Open konqueror file manager:
+ Play an mp4 video in kaffeine (no stuttering/jumping):
The only trouble I get on this machine is multiple tabs in the weasel with flash content or mksquashfs (but that's cpu not ram)
One machine here, a dell tower with only 512 ram running wheezy+TDE can do web, libreoffice and video.
At the moment all I got available is a 64-bit Devuan/Jessie +TDE system available, on an old Lenovo with intel core2 and 1G ram. I'm also running consolekit(2) and wicd, both known resource hogs. A terminal and text editor are already open.
Sorry, this is a quite unscientific test, on what's not even pure Debian.. point is, all of these things can be done with only 1G ram (or less) while running a fully-featured DE.
Startup:
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:~$ free -m
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 991 361 629 33 30 167
-/+ buffers/cache: 164 827
Swap: 2008 0 2008
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:~$ free -m
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 991 553 437 45 34 256
-/+ buffers/cache: 262 728
Swap: 2008 0 2008
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:~$ free -m
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 991 710 280 50 35 381
-/+ buffers/cache: 293 697
Swap: 2008 0 2008
+ Open konqueror file manager:
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:~$ free -m
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 991 745 245 51 36 390
-/+ buffers/cache: 318 672
Swap: 2008 0 2008
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:~$ free -m
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 991 832 158 63 36 431
-/+ buffers/cache: 364 626
Swap: 2008 0 2008
Re: RAM comparison thread
To be fair, I installed Trinity Desktop using tde-trinity which pulled many packages that I didn't want to install. The selection of automatically chosen software was clearly aimed at common computer users who only use a computer to chat, surf the net, write emails, watch videos, listen to music and share files.dzz wrote:Running TDE here on a number of Debian systems since it was first forked. I never experienced what edbarx wrote about TDE in dozens+ of TDE installs (but not nearly as good as Hallvor posted). It's normally similar resource usage to xfce4, which I also use. A TDE installation can be anything from tde-base-trinity (basic DE) to tde-trinity (monster meta). That might make a difference, I don't install the meta. Whether you use a display manager (on this box, TDM) or startx likely counts.
If I remember well there was also file indexing going on, sudo was installed and su failed to recognise my root password.
ADDED LATER:
The following memory usage is after I stopped slim and XFCE using the command:
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# /etc/init.d/slim stop
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total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 1941 466 1474 6 41 327
-/+ buffers/cache: 97 1843
Swap: 0 0 0
Private + Shared = RAM used Program
116.0 KiB + 18.0 KiB = 134.0 KiB uuidd
196.0 KiB + 34.5 KiB = 230.5 KiB atd
232.0 KiB + 61.5 KiB = 293.5 KiB init
188.0 KiB + 164.5 KiB = 352.5 KiB avahi-autoipd (2)
328.0 KiB + 38.0 KiB = 366.0 KiB rpc.idmapd
384.0 KiB + 38.5 KiB = 422.5 KiB gpg-agent
324.0 KiB + 104.5 KiB = 428.5 KiB cron
380.0 KiB + 57.0 KiB = 437.0 KiB acpid
456.0 KiB + 153.5 KiB = 609.5 KiB rpcbind
664.0 KiB + 162.5 KiB = 826.5 KiB rpc.statd
512.0 KiB + 325.5 KiB = 837.5 KiB su
812.0 KiB + 71.0 KiB = 883.0 KiB dbus-daemon
680.0 KiB + 324.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB login
740.0 KiB + 332.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB getty (5)
1.1 MiB + 86.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB udevd
1.3 MiB + 76.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB rsyslogd
1.5 MiB + 50.0 KiB = 1.5 MiB wpa_supplicant
1.3 MiB + 647.0 KiB = 1.9 MiB polkitd
1.6 MiB + 831.0 KiB = 2.4 MiB console-kit-daemon
2.2 MiB + 123.5 KiB = 2.4 MiB privoxy
2.2 MiB + 762.0 KiB = 3.0 MiB upowerd
3.0 MiB + 969.0 KiB = 3.9 MiB bash (2)
13.6 MiB + 183.0 KiB = 13.8 MiB dhclient (2)
---------------------------------
39.1 MiB
=================================
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Re: RAM comparison thread
I 'll try to make mine a little more scientific (lol).
Machine 1:
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 @2.33 GHz [64-bit]
Video: Intel GMA 3100
RAM: 4 GB
OS: Debian 8 Jessie (Stable) [64-bit]
DE: XFCE
Applications:
Terminal: xfce-4 terminal running only top and one tab for the memory check
Web browser: Iceweasel (2 windows, 12 tabs total)
File manager: Thunar (2 tabs)
Text Editor: Mousepad
(A) Recovery mode (just after booting)
(B) CLI booting with the parameter: "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" on the kernel line
(C) GUI but zero programms running (just after booting)
(D) Busy: GUI but no uptime
(E) Busy and after 21 days uptime
Pretty impressive, isn't it?
Some notes:
* Between sesions (E) and (D) the Iceweasel is dropping from 869 to 700 MiB (according to ps_mem.py) with exactly the same tabs opened!
* After the womping 869 MiB of Icewesel in session (E) the next biggest number is 24.3 MiB for xfce4-appfinder.
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Machine 2:
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3.20 Ghz [64-bit]
Video: Integrated Graphics
RAM: 1.5 GiB
OS: Debian 8 Jessie (Stable) [64-bit]
DE: LXDE
Applications:
Terminal: LX Terminal running only top and one tab for the memory check
Web browser: Iceweasel (3 windows, 23 tabs total)
E-mail client: Icedove (many big mail accounts + Usenet + RSS)
File manager: PCManFM (2 windows, 5 tabs total)
Video player: VLC playing a 2.4 GiB movie (xvid.avi file)
Libre Office: 3 spreadsheat files (totaling size: 1.1 MiB)
Torrent Client: Transmission (Downloading 1 file and seeding
Text Editor: Leafpad
(A) Recovery mode (just after booting)
(B) CLI booting with the parameter: "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" on the kernel line
(C) GUI but zero programms running (just after booting)
(D) Busy: GUI but no uptime
(E) Busy and after 6 days uptime
How memory usage is bigger in (D) than (E), I can't explain!
The same machine with a quite minimal Sid installation that I use for experimenting and learning (with XFCE and Enlightenment available hence the two numbers in the (C) session):
=> Enlightenment is quite lighter than XFCE
Machine 1:
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 @2.33 GHz [64-bit]
Video: Intel GMA 3100
RAM: 4 GB
OS: Debian 8 Jessie (Stable) [64-bit]
DE: XFCE
Applications:
Terminal: xfce-4 terminal running only top and one tab for the memory check
Web browser: Iceweasel (2 windows, 12 tabs total)
File manager: Thunar (2 tabs)
Text Editor: Mousepad
(A) Recovery mode (just after booting)
(B) CLI booting with the parameter: "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" on the kernel line
(C) GUI but zero programms running (just after booting)
(D) Busy: GUI but no uptime
(E) Busy and after 21 days uptime
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Session free -m ps_mem.py
(A) 140 28.7 MiB
(B) 187 58.0 MiB
(C) 428 195.1 MiB
(D) 1163 700.6 MiB
(E) 3447 1.1 GiB
Some notes:
* Between sesions (E) and (D) the Iceweasel is dropping from 869 to 700 MiB (according to ps_mem.py) with exactly the same tabs opened!
* After the womping 869 MiB of Icewesel in session (E) the next biggest number is 24.3 MiB for xfce4-appfinder.
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Machine 2:
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3.20 Ghz [64-bit]
Video: Integrated Graphics
RAM: 1.5 GiB
OS: Debian 8 Jessie (Stable) [64-bit]
DE: LXDE
Applications:
Terminal: LX Terminal running only top and one tab for the memory check
Web browser: Iceweasel (3 windows, 23 tabs total)
E-mail client: Icedove (many big mail accounts + Usenet + RSS)
File manager: PCManFM (2 windows, 5 tabs total)
Video player: VLC playing a 2.4 GiB movie (xvid.avi file)
Libre Office: 3 spreadsheat files (totaling size: 1.1 MiB)
Torrent Client: Transmission (Downloading 1 file and seeding
Text Editor: Leafpad
(A) Recovery mode (just after booting)
(B) CLI booting with the parameter: "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" on the kernel line
(C) GUI but zero programms running (just after booting)
(D) Busy: GUI but no uptime
(E) Busy and after 6 days uptime
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Session free -m ps_mem.py
(A) 99 20.7 MiB
(B) 135 42.4 MiB
(C) 368 158.1 MiB
(D) 1408 961.3 MiB
(E) 1396 718.7 MiB
The same machine with a quite minimal Sid installation that I use for experimenting and learning (with XFCE and Enlightenment available hence the two numbers in the (C) session):
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Session free -m ps_mem.py
(A) 20 9.2 MiB
(B) 35 42.0 MiB
(C) 112/65 167/104 MiB
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Re: RAM comparison thread
I installed Trinity Desktop R14.0.4, using tde-trinity metapackage. On cold startup, with default configuration, it uses only 200 mb. of RAM (x64 bit. machine). Very lightwieght (i think).
OS: Debian 12.4 Bookworm / DE: Enlightenment
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Re: RAM comparison thread
AMD FX6300 with 8GB RAM, MATE & Marco.
First is on clean boot.
Second is with:
Firefox 45.5 with 2 tabs open
OpenOffice Writer with a 2 page document open
VLC playing an MP3
MATE Terminal
Dolphin file manager
Third is more like I usually run:
Firefox with 2 tabs open
MATE Terminal
Dolphin file manager
WinXP running in Virtualbox with a database open and 2GB RAM allocated to that VM
Thunderbird open
Chews up the RAM pretty quick and I've been using Win7 Pro in another VM which has 4GB allocated so really starting to think about upping RAM to 16GB. Swap is on an SSD so doesn't penalise me too much at present when it is used.
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chris@BOSSDESK:~$ free -m
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 7972 816 7155 18 40 316
-/+ buffers/cache: 460 7512
Swap: 15943 0 15943
chris@BOSSDESK:~$ free -m
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 7972 1724 6247 26 103 728
-/+ buffers/cache: 893 7079
Swap: 15943 0 15943
chris@BOSSDESK:~$ free -m
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 7972 4973 2998 32 120 1534
-/+ buffers/cache: 3318 4654
Swap: 15943 0 15943
chris@BOSSDESK:~$
Second is with:
Firefox 45.5 with 2 tabs open
OpenOffice Writer with a 2 page document open
VLC playing an MP3
MATE Terminal
Dolphin file manager
Third is more like I usually run:
Firefox with 2 tabs open
MATE Terminal
Dolphin file manager
WinXP running in Virtualbox with a database open and 2GB RAM allocated to that VM
Thunderbird open
Chews up the RAM pretty quick and I've been using Win7 Pro in another VM which has 4GB allocated so really starting to think about upping RAM to 16GB. Swap is on an SSD so doesn't penalise me too much at present when it is used.
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Re: RAM comparison thread
That project is dead upstream and the display manager doesn't handle systemd user sessions correctly, this can cause problems (if you use systemd).wizard10000 wrote:slim
I would recommend LightDM instead.
Or https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php ... 6#p1680406
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