Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigration

[mor]

A bit of hypocrisy is always there in anything we do. Should we not avoid blood diamonds just because we bought Nike shoes?
Should we not condemn discrimination against women just because we didn't do anything to protest racial inequities?

We all pick and choose our battles, we all have different sensibilities and priorities when it comes to becoming outraged, and there's a more or less common threshold for stuff that makes us all gather in the streets and squares.

The resonance of an event or situation also has a great impact on how much we feel about it, still, there is a shitload of stuff we don't even know that should be mentioned, that we should go in the streets for and we don't.
Should we not protest something because of what we aren't protesting?

Trump's election is indeed a sensational event, one that has repercussions all over the world, like every US presidency, and one that in this case and many more to come has an impact over some very important freedoms and potential discrimination against specific segments of the population.

Calling this hypocrisy is unfair because true hypocrisy, that of people who actively do bad deeds and then become outraged by other matters, well, how do we call that?

One legacy that I hope Trump's presidency will leave us with, is the importance to not let ourselves become so disengaged with each other that we are rendered almost "physically" incapable to work together.
I for one have learned that no matter how scared I am of certain things happening, it was probably necessary to go through it, if anything to let it out of our system.

Be understanding, both sides.

[Segfault]

What's the problem here, all top democrats agree with ban.

If it weren't for double standards they'd have no standards at all ...

[alan stone]

Alzheimer epidemic and/or this and/or ROFL

EDIT: added ROFL option.

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[Head_on_a_Stick]

I think we should build a wall between Debian and Ubuntu

And we will make Ubuntu pay. Yes we will.

[alan stone]

How about building sarcophagi around government and MSM buildings?

[oswaldkelso]

I think we should build a wall between Debian and Ubuntu

And we will make Ubuntu pay. Yes we will.

After reading "The art of the deal" and reading between the lines, The only certainty is Debian users will pay for the wall up front. It Ubuntu fails to pay up you can shout at the naughty Ubuntu users. The real question is which fat cats will get the contracts to build this wall. Who are their share holders, or maybe family members... follow the money.. Another thing is building the wall will be creating the infrastructure for Ubuntu users in places that didn't exist before. But what the heck "Let's make Debian Great again"




Edit: I see the cost for the wall has gone up to $22bn (from $12bn) and some estimating a further $25bn

[millpond]

The election of Trumpo the Squirrel Headed Clown was the most propitious Black Swan moment in recent history.

It avoided the alternative: Global Thermonuclear War.
Hillary promised a No Fly Zone in Syria - utterly againsst International Law (as is our presence there) and one in which Putin would have been obligated (and rightly so) to take down our aircraft, and sink our carriers.

We have a Teabagger-In-Chief, who thankfully is not sadistic, nor corruptible. He has too much money (from his own past corruption) to be corruptable. And now he is faced with the dreadful task of being the Captain of the USS Titanic in a financial shark infested ocean.

The thing to understand is that the neoliberal globalist corporations and their minions are pushing for the destruction of the Nation-State, embodied in the TTP and TTPIP treaties (the former at least being scuttled by Trumpo, but no word on the latter, or even the more important TISA). The next thing on their kill list is actually the Dollar, scheduled to be replaced by the IMF's SDR currency. Its already in motion with the current efforts to outlaw cash, initiated most egregiously in India.Eliminate the concept of specie, and turn all economic control over to financial entities who act together to supervise the New World Order*. The destruction of nations in this scenario is simply an oppurtunity for the korporate *Reapers* to seize wealth as disruption destroys value, and permits exploitation. Look at the Ukraine. And even Iraq, where the trouble there was caused by Obombo seeking revenge for getting tossed out.

The efforts to restrict immigration are perhaps too little, too late. It is an extreme measure, but one that is actually reasonable when viewed in the context of a nation trying to reindustrialise as the only method to avoid an Empire facing oblivion. An Empire backed by artillery rather than moral force, simply cannot exist for long as a service economy. And the people at the top know this. But only see this as an oppurtunity to short the dollar.

We are reliving the financial situation very similar to the early 1930's, albeit in a worse situation as the FIRE sector has become the main force of our GDP and 'wealth'. It is sad to say that a revival of Nationalism is probably our only hope even if it breeds dreaded obvious neo-fascism. The fascism of globalist corporatism is infinitely worse, just infinitely less visible as we are imersed in its matrix of propaganda as it gets to control the media.

In short, we are circling the wagons, getting ready for Geronimo, but this time he's wearing a burkha.

No sense attacking the messenger here. I am a Bolshevik. The teabaggers to me are execrable.
But that simple fact does not make them wrong.
At least at this point in our history.

*This is not the NWO of the John Bircher nutters (UN fantasies), but rather the one specifially spelled out by David Rockefeller and others ond often written about in Think Tank Journals such as Foreign Relations, and even by Trilaeral Commission spooks like Ziggy Brzinsky. They are rather egregious about it, figuring that the unwashed deplorables simply cannot read beyond a 6th grade level. Of course they are generally correct.

[acewiza]

We have a Teabagger-In-Chief, who thankfully is not sadistic, nor corruptible. He has too much money (from his own past corruption) to be corruptable. And now he is faced with the dreadful task of being the Captain of the USS Titanic in a financial shark infested ocean.

Well said - accurate, complete and concise.
I have always referred to the FIRE sector as the "money-for-nothing" people. Their only tangible product and/or service is creating reams and bytes of information that nobody except themselves and lawyers can understand. It is in fact a brilliant "job-security-through-obscurity" strategy.

[HuangLao]

just an FYI, because the word Fascism keeps coming up, especially with regards to the Nazis and Hitler. The Nazis were a National Socialist Party, ie: they are Socialists. Also, Socialism, Communism, Fascism are the same thing....different clothes on the same ideology. Communism and Fascism are both fast routes to Socialism. End history lesson here.

[RU55EL]

just an FYI, because the word Fascism keeps coming up, especially with regards to the Nazis and Hitler. The Nazis were a National Socialist Party, ie: they are Socialists. Also, Socialism, Communism, Fascism are the same thing....different clothes on the same ideology. Communism and Fascism are both fast routes to Socialism. End history lesson here.

This is the Debian forum!

I think you are getting a little too far off topic!

[HuangLao]

just an FYI, because the word Fascism keeps coming up, especially with regards to the Nazis and Hitler. The Nazis were a National Socialist Party, ie: they are Socialists. Also, Socialism, Communism, Fascism are the same thing....different clothes on the same ideology. Communism and Fascism are both fast routes to Socialism. End history lesson here.

This is the Debian forum!

I think you are getting a little too far off topic!

Wow, Thank You, I never noticed that listed at the top of the page. Seems to be as on topic as any of the other posts.

[RU55EL]

You are welcome. Sometimes it is very easy to get off track in the heat of the moment.

The Linux foundation always seemed a little too commercial for me, but it's not like I'm an expert. I tend to follow the Free Software Foundation, but they also have their political axe to grind. Politics...you just can't escape it!

[oswaldkelso]

just an FYI, because the word Fascism keeps coming up, especially with regards to the Nazis and Hitler. The Nazis were a National Socialist Party, ie: they are Socialists. Also, Socialism, Communism, Fascism are the same thing....different clothes on the same ideology. Communism and Fascism are both fast routes to Socialism. End history lesson here.

There are so many alternative facts in that post it defies belief. I really wonder if someone has been putting blue pills in your water. Please. Try taking a few red ones and the world will be a better place

[vbrummond]

Talking about politics is useless, but it's certainly within their right to, don't say "stick to tech" or other rubbish. Anyway, if you want change go do it. Don't stay at home.

Edit, I think you need to look at the "nationism" part of it to get your first clue who they are similar to. Spread your fake news elsewhere.

[RU55EL]

There is no need to "stick to tech", but the subject matter should touch on Debian or at least linux.

7. Stay on topic. Sometimes threads morph into something completely off topic, this is unavoidable when a bunch of people communicate. However, try to limit the off topic discussions to the off topic category. Long off topic discussions in other categories might get moved or locked.
Discussions in "Off topic" should still be in the spirit of this board, that is related to Linux/ Computers/ Software etc. Political, religious or racial discussions do not belong on this board.
Avoid 'thread hijacking'. Unless your question is directly related to the thread's topic, start a new one.

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[acewiza]

There is no need to "stick to tech", but the subject matter should touch on Debian or at least linux.

7. Stay on topic. Sometimes threads morph into something completely off topic, this is unavoidable when a bunch of people communicate. However, try to limit the off topic discussions to the off topic category. Long off topic discussions in other categories might get moved or locked.
Discussions in "Off topic" should still be in the spirit of this board, that is related to Linux/ Computers/ Software etc. Political, religious or racial discussions do not belong on this board.
Avoid 'thread hijacking'. Unless your question is directly related to the thread's topic, start a new one.

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Did it occur to you the topic "is" political by it's very nature and located in the "Offtopic" section?

[GarryRicketson]

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But the key word is "might", that does not mean it deffinately would be .
I guess it depends on what the admins and mods decide, and also how
other members feel.
I am not going to say any more because it would be more politcal and religious,
and not really related to the original topic,

Linux Foundation Exec. Director's Statement on Immigration

That is nice to know the Linux Foundation does not support the insane policies being
made by the greedy , warmongers and facists in the US.
It does just go to show though, how insane, the United States is,...first look at the
history, how they came from Europe, slaughtered 1000s of the natives, and stole the land.
Imagine how much constructive and good things could be done with the amount of money that will be needed to build their stupid wall, and the greedy nation, not only wants to build this wall, but intends to force a very poor country to pay for it.
The US is a very greedy nation, and they expect every body else to do everything for them. Instead of faceing the truth, and realizing they are the problem, they blame the rest of the world, and go running to "war" ,...... destruction.
They create a tangled web of paper work , that is so complicated it is almost impossible for anyone to get their "documents" to enter the country legally, and there
are not any offices in the border towns where one can get a visa, process the paperwork, etc. In other words they make laws saying one must have there documents, but the means to obtain the documents does not exist.
The money used to build the stupid wall, could be used to build Offices, at every border town. where anyone wishing to go into the country can apply for the visa, and go through the process, and in a reasonable amount of time,...as it is now it can take years to get a visa, just to visit,...
I know, I am speaking from experience . All though I was born in the US, and have my passport, etc. My wife was not born in the US, and we have been trying for over 5 years to get her visa so she could go with me, if and when I go there. But any way, now the way things are in the US, we do not have any desire to go into the fascist country, and besides that since I am retired, no need to go there to work.
Any way, I wasn't going to say anything,...but did,...it is much more complex
In a nut shell, the US, needs to stop going to war with the rest of the world, and start
looking at their selfs, and working inside their own country to make it "great" again.
It was a great nation, North America,..some 200+ years ago, before the warmongers
came to The Nation,

[golinux]

Yup. To 'make America great again', return it to the indigenous peoples who where displaced by colonizing European immigrants. And then deport all 'immigrants' and their descendants to their point of origin.

[Head_on_a_Stick]

how insane, the United States is,...first look at the
history, how they came from Europe, slaughtered 1000s of the natives, and stole the land.

Hey, c'mon Garry, that's not fair — they were British then

[alan stone]

In a nut shell, the US, needs to stop going to war with the rest of the world,...

It's much more than that.

Here's why and some further food for thought: here, here, here and here.