empty@Helium:~ $ vrms
No non-free or contrib packages installed on Helium! rms would be proud.
empty@Helium:~ $
pendrachken wrote:Do I avoid non-free or contrib? NO!
Why you ask? Because I use my machines for real work, not out of some sense of zealotry.
mor wrote:pendrachken wrote:Do I avoid non-free or contrib? NO!
Why you ask? Because I use my machines for real work, not out of some sense of zealotry.
Is not buying blood diamonds a form of zealotry?
Or maybe buying only fair trade products?
A comment like this betrays a pretty unfair attitude, especially from someone who, for whatever reason, is indeed benefiting from the fruit of what you call zealotry.
Kinda like getting all excited and proud for getting -say- energy efficient lights for a house and then saying "hey, I need my <insert brand of manufacturer who exploits cheap third world labor> shoes to train".
You might not be using Debian for ethical reasons and that's fine, you're welcome too, but believing that free software is the right thing is exactly what made Debian possible, and most importantly making sacrifices, such as bending over backward to do actual work (yes, even those who use only free software do actual work!) without choosing personal convenience over principle, is what makes the difference between doing the right thing and just being there to witness it.
I am alas one of those who still uses some non free stuff so I'm not being holier than thou here, but I certainly look up to those who can hack it, not down.
Bye
I don't use <insert software> because only Hitler uses that.
I don't use <insert software> because I don't think it fulfils my needs.
pendrachken wrote:Do I avoid non-free or contrib? NO!
Why you ask? Because I use my machines for real work, not out of some sense of zealotry.
If there is a FOSS solution that works I use it, but if a proprietary solution works better for what I need... well then I will use that. I have way too much to do, and can't waste time poking and prodding some FOSS thing that can only do 80-90% of what I need when another program ( that happens to be proprietary ) can do 95-100% of what I need.
debiman wrote:me:
leans back with a tub of popcorn.
a great show is about to begin!
:popcorn:
kedaha wrote:Do I avoid non-free software? Absolutely!
How can you know exactly what non-free software does in your Linux system? The answer is one can't so it's the last thing I want on my server & indeed on my desktop system.
Apart from that, on principle, I'd cheerfully see Debian ditch the non-free stuff and leave it to Ubunto & similar distros with proprietary leanings. But I have used such software in the past but I don't need it now & don't want it. Similarly I once used Windows but will never go back to it.
mor wrote:debiman wrote:me:
leans back with a tub of popcorn.
a great show is about to begin!
:popcorn:
I wonder if you said so just because the situation is clearly prone to be the beginning of a show or because it's me involved. Either way thank you because your comment has undoubtedly influenced me in keeping my reply short and to the point.
Anyway, ready your popcorn.
@pendrachken
You said I used a few false dichotomies in my reply and I honestly wonder where did you see them.
I hope you're not referring to my examples about fair trade and shoes, because those are not dichotomies, they are analogies, used as examples of similar situations, not as counterarguments.
A false dichotomy, and a blatantly ridiculous one, would have been: either you think free software is good, and you're good person, or you don't and you're a bad person, but I never said anything like that.
But then again, please educate me about dichotomies.
And since we're talking fallacies, where would the straw men (men, plural, you mean that there is more than one?) be?
A straw man is defined as the refutation (or rather the attempt at refuting) of someone's argument, opinion, idea by attacking something entirely different and often irrelevant that he or she is not even saying.
The only thing that I have attacked is your attitude, I haven't gone to the extent of rebutting your argument (well, your statement, not much of an argument there).
I may have made incorrect inferences from your words (unlikely) that made me see attitude where there wasn't any, but that's not a straw man either.
So, what were you saying about fallacies?
Did you mention those two just because they are the ones you remembered the names of?
Want to review your reply?
Bye
Is not buying blood diamonds a form of zealotry?
Or maybe buying only fair trade products?
A comment like this betrays a pretty unfair attitude, especially from someone who, for whatever reason, is indeed benefiting from the fruit of what you call zealotry.
Kinda like getting all excited and proud for getting -say- energy efficient lights for a house and then saying "hey, I need my <insert brand of manufacturer who exploits cheap third world labor> shoes to train".
You might not be using Debian for ethical reasons and that's fine, you're welcome too, but believing that free software is the right thing is exactly what made Debian possible......
A straw man is defined as the refutation (or rather the attempt at refuting) of someone's argument, opinion, idea by attacking something entirely different and often irrelevant that he or she is not even saying.
So, what were you saying about fallacies?
Did you mention those two just because they are the ones you remembered the names of?
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