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When Stretch becomes stable can I change my sources?

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When Stretch becomes stable can I change my sources?

#1 Post by keithostertag »

I've been running Stretch for quite some time, but would like to now switch to stable.

Now that Stretch is about to become Stable (June 17, 2017), can I simply change my sources in /etc/apt/sources.list file from "stretch" to "stable", then run apt-get update?

I.e., can I change:

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deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
to:

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deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
then run sudo apt-get update without breaking anything?

Thanks,
Keith

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#2 Post by phenest »

Leaving it as stretch means you will stay with stretch. Changing it to stable means you will upgrade as each new stable is released. As Stretch is released today, then currently stretch is the same as stable.
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#3 Post by pylkko »

it's basically realeased already. Jessie was renamed oldstable already and Buster started etc.
the Debian stretch suites have now been renamed to stable! #releasingstretch http://dlvr.it/PMyHDM
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#4 Post by dasein »

keithostertag wrote:I've been running Stretch for quite some time, but would like to now switch to stable.
Then do nothing. No "switching" required.

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#5 Post by Lysander »

There seems to be a lot of confusion on Reddit and IRC regarding whether to change sources.list in Jessie to Stable or Stretch. As far as I can see it's better to change it to Stable.

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#6 Post by dasein »

Lysander wrote:As far as I can see it's better to change it to Stable.
No. Consult any of the zillion existing threads on why code name is invariably preferable to release name.

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#7 Post by Lysander »

dasein wrote:
Lysander wrote:As far as I can see it's better to change it to Stable.
No. Consult any of the zillion existing threads on why code name is invariably preferable to release name.
Interesting. Someone said that changing to Stretch would result in receiving a frozen one-week old testing repo, not the actual Stable. So I'm guessing I should ignore that. Personally I would much rather change to Stretch than Stable.

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#8 Post by dasein »

Lysander wrote:Someone said that changing to Stretch would result in receiving a frozen one-week old testing repo, not the actual Stable.
This someone is most charitably described as utterly ignorant about Debian, and completely clueless about the depth of that ignorance.

It's time for you to quit asking questions about Debian releases and develop expertise of your own:

https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/NoRCBugs
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi ... s#s-frozen
https://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/10/18/u ... e-process/
https://debian-handbook.info/browse/sta ... cycle.html


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#10 Post by phenest »

Lysander wrote:As far as I can see it's better to change it to Stable.
Lysander wrote:Personally I would much rather change to Stretch than Stable.
Is this just a change of mind, or are you just very confused?
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phenest wrote:
Lysander wrote:As far as I can see it's better to change it to Stable.
Lysander wrote:Personally I would much rather change to Stretch than Stable.
Is this just a change of mind, or are you just very confused?
No, it was the same point, though less informed at the time. I was under the impression that it was better to change it to Stable though I would personally rather have it as Stretch - as long as that were doable. And it has been confirmed that it is.

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#12 Post by TonyT »

As I understand it, presently, Stretch and Testing are pretty much the same thing, until new packages arrive in Testing. My sources list uses "testing" as I have been running Stretch for several months. I want to continue using testing, thus I can keep my sources list as they are. Am I correct?
# testing
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
# multimedia
deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ testing main non-free

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#13 Post by None1975 »

TonyT wrote:As I understand it, presently, Stretch and Testing are pretty much the same thing, until new packages arrive in Testing. My sources list uses "testing" as I have been running Stretch for several months. I want to continue using testing, thus I can keep my sources list as they are. Am I correct?
# testing
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
# multimedia
deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ testing main non-free
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#14 Post by dasein »

TonyT wrote:As I understand it, presently, Stretch and Testing are pretty much the same thing
NO. As of yesterday, Stretch and Stable are the same.
TonyT wrote:I want to continue using testing, thus I can keep my sources list as they are. Am I correct?
At the risk of sounding harsh, if you have to ask this question, if you don't understand Debian's release model, if you don't have even a basic understanding of sources.list, then you are nowhere near ready to run Testing.

(Doubly so given that you've been dabbling in Debian for over ten years... and you haven't mastered even these basics.)

You would do well to stick with Stretch, particularly now. Major breakage in Testing is typical immediately after the freeze.

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None1975 wrote:
TonyT wrote:As I understand it, presently, Stretch and Testing are pretty much the same thing, until new packages arrive in Testing. My sources list uses "testing" as I have been running Stretch for several months. I want to continue using testing, thus I can keep my sources list as they are. Am I correct?
# testing
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
# multimedia
deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ testing main non-free
Yes. You are right.
Thanks. That's what I thought.

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#16 Post by TonyT »

dasein wrote:
TonyT wrote:As I understand it, presently, Stretch and Testing are pretty much the same thing
NO. As of yesterday, Stretch and Stable are the same.
TonyT wrote:I want to continue using testing, thus I can keep my sources list as they are. Am I correct?
At the risk of sounding harsh, if you have to ask this question, if you don't understand Debian's release model, if you don't have even a basic understanding of sources.list, then you are nowhere near ready to run Testing.

(Doubly so given that you've been dabbling in Debian for over ten years... and you haven't mastered even these basics.)

You would do well to stick with Stretch, particularly now. Major breakage in Testing is typical immediately after the freeze.
I've been using Debian since Woody, still have a Woody server I built for a business database on a LAN in 2001 (no Internet).
I never experienced a freeze when testing became stable before because I always ran Sid on my laptops with no trouble at all.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe testing has a newer kernel than Stretch now.

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TonyT wrote:And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe testing has a newer kernel than Stretch now.
Then I'll correct you. Sid has the same kernel version today as Stretch.
Check here: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/linux-image-amd64
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#18 Post by Lysander »

TonyT wrote: I never experienced a freeze when testing became stable before because I always ran Sid on my laptops with no trouble at all.
I think he meant a freeze as in development blocking.

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#19 Post by TonyT »

Lysander wrote:
TonyT wrote: I never experienced a freeze when testing became stable before because I always ran Sid on my laptops with no trouble at all.
I think he meant a freeze as in development blocking.
yes, that freeze.

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#20 Post by Lysander »

OK, I was just not sure what you meant when you said you've never experienced a freeze before, but it's very possible that I'm missing something.

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