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To choose init in debian?

Postby Snake94 » 2017-08-08 10:38

Good afternoon, well, it is not necessary to explain the issue of systemd or go into why it is bad, I just want to ask if debian has in their plans to change init or at least give to choose during the installation that init wants to install.

I ask because I have just heard this rumor, which should give you to choose the desired init during the installation.

I know devuan exists, and it is a very noble project but it is not debian and does not have debian support/developers.

Thank you.
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Re: To choose init in debian?

Postby Lysander » 2017-08-08 11:29

You can actually change it now for yourself. Just go to settings > init and untick "systemd", you can select "Sys-V" instead if you wish.

OK, that isn't true. I don't think there are many devs here but someone may know something. You may prefer to go to the Debian Reddit - I know Chris Lamb hangs out there regularly [and that is true].
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Re: To choose init in debian?

Postby wizard10000 » 2017-08-08 12:30

Lysander wrote:...You may prefer to go to the Debian Reddit - I know Chris Lamb hangs out there regularly [and that is true].


He has to - he moderates the thing :mrgreen:

I'd thought about asking forum admins if he could do an AMA here - still thinking on it.
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Re: To choose init in debian?

Postby dasein » 2017-08-08 16:54

Snake94 wrote:I ask because I have just heard this rumor, which should give you to choose the desired init during the installation.

Link to the source for this "rumor" or go back under your bridge.
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Re: To choose init in debian?

Postby Snake94 » 2017-08-08 16:58

dasein wrote:
Snake94 wrote:I ask because I have just heard this rumor, which should give you to choose the desired init during the installation.

Link to the source for this "rumor" or go back under your bridge.


If I had a source would not be a rumor do not you think?
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Re: To choose init in debian?

Postby dasein » 2017-08-08 17:00

Please for the love of whatever one holds sacred, do not feed this insanely obvious troll.

(P.S> WTF is up with postimg. Their "thumbnail" is now larger than the original??)
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Re: To choose init in debian?

Postby Snake94 » 2017-08-08 17:03

I am no troll, I have only asked if anyone knows anything about the future of debian as far as its init is concerned.
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Re: To choose init in debian?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-08-08 17:05

(P.S> WTF is up with postimg. Their "thumbnail" is now larger than the original??)


Don't know, can you give a example ?
If you give me a link to the image, I can fix it, and give you a link for the thumb nail.
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Re: To choose init in debian?

Postby Lysander » 2017-08-08 17:12

wizard10000 wrote:I'd thought about asking forum admins if he could do an AMA here - still thinking on it.


Would be a very nice idea. Just don't do it when I'm abroad mid September!

OK, this thread has the potential for being hijacked twice.
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Re: To choose init in debian?

Postby Snake94 » 2017-08-08 17:26

Ok,Close the thread, if you think I'm a troll for asking a question, close the thread.
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Re: To choose init in debian?

Postby dasein » 2017-08-08 17:40

Huh. Accidentally successful strategy. Making note for future reference.
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Re: To choose init in debian?

Postby Snake94 » 2017-08-08 17:48

dasein wrote:Huh. Accidentally successful strategy. Making note for future reference.


Do you really think I'm a troll for asking a simple question? Close the thread
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Re: To choose init in debian?

Postby ruffwoof » 2017-08-08 17:57

Snake94 wrote:Good afternoon, well, it is not necessary to explain the issue of systemd or go into why it is bad, I just want to ask if debian has in their plans to change init or at least give to choose during the installation that init wants to install.

It was commonly recognised that SysV was in need of updating/changing .. for instance to move away from being serial. SystemD is one such alternative of several that caters for concurrency/parallel, along with many other benefits. If in your opinion sysD is bad, SysV is worse as that is what most are progressing away from.

No install choice, but there is a boot choice i.e. Debian can still be booted using sysV IIRC by adding something like a init=/lib/sysvinit/init kernel boot parameter. There are also 32 bit versions of Debian ... but you're out of luck if you'd rather boot 8 bit or 16 bit.
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Re: To choose init in debian?

Postby Snake94 » 2017-08-08 18:00

ruffwoof wrote:
Snake94 wrote:Good afternoon, well, it is not necessary to explain the issue of systemd or go into why it is bad, I just want to ask if debian has in their plans to change init or at least give to choose during the installation that init wants to install.

No install choice, but there is a boot choice i.e. Debian can still be booted using sysV IIRC by adding something like a init=/lib/sysvinit/init kernel boot parameter.


Thank you, I did not know that.

PD: It is true that sysV is very old and I understand that you are looking for alternatives, but maybe openrc would have been a healthier option from my point of view.
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Re: To choose init in debian?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-08-08 18:02

The thing of it is, the Debian developers and others went around in circles for quite some
time, arguing about this issue, and it is all very well documented.
It all was very controversial, but it is over, the decision was made and Debian now uses systemd, As far as I know, there are no plans to change the decision that was made.
Debian will continue using systemd, and there will not be any easy way or other option for using sysV init, in the Debian releases.
So, a group of Debian developers, decided to no longer work on Debian development,
but start a new "fork", called "Devaun"
Here on this forum , it is Debian users, not Debian Developers, if you are not a troll, and
genuinely want to know about the future plans for Debian, you should ask them:
https://www.debian.org/contact
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https://www.debian.org/devel/
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https://lists.debian.org/devel.html
It probably would be better to use:
https://lists.debian.org/users.html
First, then maybe someone will point you to a better source, that is
fact, and not rumour,... a few developers do follow and read the users list.

Instead of listening to rumours, or starting a very controversial topic on forums, where "rumours"
and more rumours about the rumours are abundant, actually, many forums just close and delete any new topics, on this,... it is old history. Occasionally "trolls" do pop up, and try to start yet another "systemd" topic, generally with the same sort of comment "I heard this some where ",.... bla bla.
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