Select and install software fails. [WAIT NO NOT SOLVED]

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Re: Select and install software fails. [WAIT NO NOT SOLVED]

Postby Bog » 2017-10-29 01:25

dilberts_left_nut wrote:You do realise (again) that this is the Debian USER forum?
We are USERS, just like you.
If you want to make a bug report, go ahead.
If you want to talk to the devs, they will be on the mailing lists.

Why are you faffing about with DVD images? I don't recall ever using them.
Why not try the netinstall image and install direct from the repo's?


I don't understand how that qualifies as "faffing".

And as for this being a user forum, sure, but did you RTFT? I'm grateful to say that all of the responses have been technical.

Hopefully one of them will see and chime in instead of you. They've been so great so far. (And technical.)

Oh and it seems like installing from repo would not only introduce more complexity to the situation (opposite of occam's razor), but even if it works, it would be indicative of a deeper problem
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Re: Select and install software fails. [WAIT NO NOT SOLVED]

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-10-29 01:27

by Bog » I should try reinstalling but only use the first disk. (That would weed out the other repositories right?)

I am thinking maybe you have not read any of the install documentation, to start with,
no , you do not need all those DVDs, Yes, the first one is all you need:
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstall
Although there are over 30 CDs (or 5 DVDs) in a full set, only the first CD is required to install Debian. The additional CDs are optional and include extra packages, that can be downloaded individually during the installation, or later.


If you want to file a bug report:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04.html.en
5.4.7. Submitting Installation Reports
----- (part)----If you have a working Debian system, the easiest way to send an installation report is to install the installation-report and reportbug packages (apt install installation-report reportbug), configure reportbug as explained in Section 8.5.2, “Sending E-Mails Outside The System”, and run the command reportbug installation-reports.

Alternatively you can use this template when filling out installation reports, and file the report as a bug report against the installation-reports pseudo package, by sending it to <submit@bugs.debian.org>.

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 Package: installation-reports

Boot method: <How did you boot the installer? CD? floppy? network?>
Image version: <Full URL to image you downloaded is best>
Date: <Date and time of the install>

Machine: <Description of machine (eg, IBM Thinkpad R32)>
Processor:
Memory:
Partitions: <df -Tl will do; the raw partition table is preferred>

Output of lspci -knn (or lspci -nn):

Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot:           [ ]
Detect network card:    [ ]
Configure network:      [ ]
Detect CD:              [ ]
Load installer modules: [ ]
Detect hard drives:     [ ]
Partition hard drives:  [ ]
Install base system:    [ ]
Clock/timezone setup:   [ ]
User/password setup:    [ ]
Install tasks:          [ ]
Install boot loader:    [ ]
Overall install:        [ ]

Comments/Problems:

<Description of the install, in prose, and any thoughts, comments
      and ideas you had during the initial install.>

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There is a lot of information available, and it is very important, especially when it is someone that has never installed Debian before, there is to much to explain in 1 or 2 posts, it probably is not that the installer is broken or that the ISO is no good, that might
depend on which iso you are using to start with though.
Note:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/337534/how-to-install-dvd-2-and-3-of-debian
"Initially, you will only need to download and use the first image of a set (labelled as debian-something-1 to be able to start the Debian installer and set up Debian on your computer. If there are more images available here (labelled debian-something-2, debian-something-3, etc.), they contain the extra packages that can be installed on a Debian system (as mentioned previously). They will not be bootable and are entirely optional.

I have never tried using any of the other CD or DVD images, and all ways just use 1 Dvd.
So I am having to do some searches, and find more info on doing it that way, you should
have and could do that your self, before starting this project. Using multiple DVD's is not
recommended, it would be a last resort and only in a situation where one did not have internet access, and they needed all the bell's and whistles, etc. The first DVD is all you need to install a very reliable and working OS.
99% of the people that have problems installing, the problem was not the ISO or DVD, but the simple fact that they read 0 documentation, and the other 1% is because they have very unusual types of hardware.
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From: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/
Furthermore, in most cases it is not necessary to download all of the images for your architecture. The packages are sorted by popularity: The first CD/DVD/BD contains the installation system and the most popular packages. The second one contains slightly less popular ones, the third one even less popular ones, etc. You will probably only need the first couple of DVDs (or the first few CDs) unless you have very special requirements. (And in case you happen to need a package later on which is not on one of the CDs/DVDs/BDs you downloaded, you can always install that package directly from the Internet.)
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Re: Select and install software fails. [WAIT NO NOT SOLVED]

Postby Bog » 2017-10-29 02:00

It's weird that you're quoting me saying exactly what you said in response. The reason I said maybe I should just use the first disk is because I read the documentation and hence I know that I only need the first one. I mean, are we misunderstanding each other? Look at what you quoted. I wouldn't know that I only need the first disc without having read the documentation saying that.

As for the rest, thanks much, I guess I'll give up and file a bug report. I was waiting until people here on the thread gave me a shrug and kinda said, well, we're out of ideas. In other words, like, you know- I should seek advice to fix a problem before jumping into a bug report, right. That's usually the path.

Thanks again, ug! Darn,

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Re: Select and install software fails. [WAIT NO NOT SOLVED]

Postby p.H » 2017-10-29 07:49

Bog, I'm going to say it straight : the way you write is unpleasant. This place is not official Debian support, no one here is going to fix the installation images, open a ticket, file a bug for you or whatever. The people here are not responsible for Debian bugs, they are just users, like you.

That being said, let's go technical.

What made you think that the DVD was faulty ? I see nothing in the installer log picture pointing to this direction. The ISO9660 are juste normal kernel messages which appear when an ISO 9660 filesystem is mounted.

Did you configure a network connection and select a Debian mirror during your installation attempts ?

From the installer log picture, we can see that dpkg (low level Debian package tool) won't install apper because it depends on polkit-kde-1 or policykit-1-gnome but none is installed.
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/apper confirms that apper depends on either of these two packages.
Then got the first 3 DVD image contents from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/9.2.1/i386/list-dvd and search these packages.
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$ zegrep "^(apper_|policykit-1-gnome|polkit-kde-1)" debian-9.2.1-i386-DVD-*
debian-9.2.1-i386-DVD-1.list.gz:apper_0.9.2+git20161222-3_i386.deb
debian-9.2.1-i386-DVD-1.list.gz:policykit-1-gnome_0.105-6_i386.deb
debian-9.2.1-i386-DVD-2.list.gz:polkit-kde-1_5.8.4-1_all.deb

So apper and policykit-1-gnome is on DVD 1, polkit-kde-1 is on DVD 2.

Actually I do not understand why dpkg tried to install apper with missing dependencies. Apt should have installed the dependencies first, or issued an error if they could not be installed. The dependencies for "Package: apper" in the /dists/stretch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz file on the DVD 1 may be incomplete and miss these dependencies, but that seems unlikely. But since I am not going to download the full 4 GB DVD 1 image, I cannot check it.

You could try to install any of them from the installer shell and see what happens.
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apt-install polkit-kde-1

apt-install is a Debian installer tool which allows to install packages on the target system. Not to be confused with anna which installs Debian installer components (.udeb) on the installer itself, or apt which installs packages from the target system.
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Re: Select and install software fails. [WAIT NO NOT SOLVED]

Postby giul51 » 2017-11-10 19:06

I had the same problem with one of the first releases of Jessie (8.3). Filed a bug report with no result. Waited for 8.4, same problem. Could not find the reason for that.
I could finally by-pass the problem by using only the first disk, and - during installation- choosing not to scan other dvd except the first. I installed later some of the needed software.
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