Wheelerof4te wrote:Timeout can be reduced, and it doesn't happen often anymore. Not much anyway.
Really? Happened on Stretch last week. Twice, for no apparent reason. Some bollocks about stop jobs for my session or somesuch. SysV just kills anything that doesn't play the game, like a sensible init.
When I say "shut down", I mean "right now", not "Open the pod bay doors please HAL".
Wheelerof4te wrote:Increased memory consumption? By what margins now? Aren't you maybe attributing it to general newer software memory consumption? Have you run valid benchmarks on the same system?
Increased idle CPU use is the same as above. I even attribute it to pulseaudio or some other process, rather than systemd.
Jessie, same box, booting with / without systemd. I don't recall the numbers but I can probably do it again if you really want. I don't run pulseaudio, because it's a turd as well.
Wheelerof4te wrote:There are good systemd-free distros now, and there were before. (Wheezy)
See prior comments on missing applications and functionality. Comparatively few options as far as distros go. Systemd has split the community, and I don't see how that can be a good thing.
Wheelerof4te wrote:If there is a problem, it will be clearly visible in red (unless you enabled "quiet"). If not, there are journald logs.
I don't give a fat rats hiney about fancy colours in my boot messages, I want to see and edit the init sequence, in a common and readable script language.
Wheelerof4te wrote:And your answer is to run decades old code which has many known flaws and will not be maintained officially ever?
My answer is to run
less code. I don't care how old it is as long as it works properly. SysV did, and still does. So does runit. So does BSD init.
Wheelerof4te wrote:And it's installed by default now in Debian, what did you expect?
A choice. See earlier posts.
Wheelerof4te wrote:Why would a piece of free software get on your nerves, anyway?
Because it's
scary. It's a huge omniscient omnipotent blob of code, where once there were many small, simple daemons. It's usurped a ridiculous number of roles since introduction, and yet the open-bug count is still rising rapidly. Who knows what security armageddon is lurking in there.
Wheelerof4te wrote:And if your answer is to forever be running an old Pentium build with 1 GB RAM, then I too really don't have words for your ignorance.
I7,6x4.3GHz, 32GB RAM, SSDs in RAID10, FWIW. Slow, no. Slower with more junk code running on it, yes.
Wheelerof4te wrote:First Red Hat, and now Mozzila too?
Mozilla didn't develop pulseaudio, Lennart Poettering did. Mozzilla is just the latest bastion of freedom to be overrun by the "Unify Linux" horde.
They have perfectly good ALSA code, but it's being deprecated because "everyone runs pulseaudio". I call shenanigans.
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. Four times is Official GNOME Policy.