Scheduled Maintenance: We are aware of an issue with Google, AOL, and Yahoo services as email providers which are blocking new registrations. We are trying to fix the issue and we have several internal and external support tickets in process to resolve the issue. Please see: viewtopic.php?t=158230

 

 

 

MX Linux is standing on the shoulders of the Debian giant

Off-Topic discussions about science, technology, and non Debian specific topics.
Message
Author
Seventh
Posts: 44
Joined: 2017-04-01 10:13

Re: MX Linux is standing on the shoulders of the Debian gian

#21 Post by Seventh »

stevepusser wrote:
debiman wrote:
Seventh wrote:what is ram usage like running firefox or chromium?
i suspect it's the same as on any other distro.
It depends on how many tabs you have open and how much junk the web pages throw at you. So it has no magic to reduce that, the desktop just starts out at a certain RAM use and you load the browser/media player on top of it. A window manager only will be lighter than xfce.
Ok thanks, i just thought you may have has some average figures. I suppose one just has to suck it and see.

User avatar
Head_on_a_Stick
Posts: 14114
Joined: 2014-06-01 17:46
Location: London, England
Has thanked: 81 times
Been thanked: 132 times

Re: MX Linux is standing on the shoulders of the Debian gian

#22 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

Congratulations to the MX Team for a fantastic release!

And very well done for pleasing that Domeido bloke, he didn't like us anywhere near as much :cry:
deadbang

Innovate
Posts: 188
Joined: 2015-12-27 01:28

Re: MX Linux is standing on the shoulders of the Debian gian

#23 Post by Innovate »

stevepusser wrote: The MX tool developers really only know how to program in Qt, so that's what most of the tools are written in. I don't think that would go over great at the GTK-based XFCE. Bringing in the Qt 5 runtime libraries no doubt makes the RAM use higher...think what it would be if the tools were using the libraries that XFCE already loads. :) For the most part, they just manipulate scripts and text files, so would probably port over to GTK easily.
I see, fair enough. That's very strong reason indeed, I'd respect MX team decisions I won't rush.
I've saw something similar on Lite as well they're all pythons but Xfce is whole GTK2+3.
I was wondered why each Xfce distros they keep their own tech away from official Xfce
rather than submit contribute their tech. Seems they've their own specific & incompatibility reasons.

I've did quite research & study many special Xfce distros that I go they've have their own interesting Xfce utilities.
Some generously distribute their code on github, some were hide in launchpad. Some keep their stuff to themselves 0 code release.
They've scattered around everywhere like lost tech, relic & artifacts which valuable with Xfce developments.

anticapitalista
Posts: 428
Joined: 2007-12-14 23:16
Has thanked: 12 times
Been thanked: 13 times

Re: MX Linux is standing on the shoulders of the Debian gian

#24 Post by anticapitalista »

golinux is (deliberately) confusing MX Linux and antiX. As has already been stated numerous times, antiX DOES NOT use systemd at all!
We have nosystemd packages for stretch/testing and sid. Thanks to work done by Devuan, we also ship with eudev.

http://repo.antixlinux.com/stretch/pool/nosystemd/
http://repo.antixlinux.com/testing/pool/nosystemd/
http://repo.antixlinux.com/sid/pool/nosystemd/

MX Linux chose a different path (like Knoppix) to use systemd-shim
antiX with runit - lean and mean.
https://antixlinux.com

User avatar
golinux
Posts: 1579
Joined: 2010-12-09 00:56
Location: not a 'buntard!
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: MX Linux is standing on the shoulders of the Debian gian

#25 Post by golinux »

anticapitalista wrote:golinux is (deliberately) confusing MX Linux and antiX.
No I am not. I have not once mentioned antiX in this thread. In fact, I had not given a thought to antiX for quite a while until you brought it up just now.
As has already been stated numerous times, antiX DOES NOT use systemd at all!
That is fantastic!
We have nosystemd packages for stretch/testing and sid.
Thanks to work done by Devuan, we also ship with eudev.

http://repo.antixlinux.com/stretch/pool/nosystemd/
http://repo.antixlinux.com/testing/pool/nosystemd/
http://repo.antixlinux.com/sid/pool/nosystemd/
I would be curious to know how you achieved that. By elimination or by rebuilding of all the 'infected' packages. :)
MX Linux chose a different path (like Knoppix) to use systemd-shim
Unfortunately that association could be a bit of an albatross for you then. Though as I said earlier, I haven't given much of a thought to anitX lately. I used to be reminded of it when you'd visit the refracta forum (before tapatalk destroyed it after the freeforums sellout).

I'm really not trying to pick a fight; just trying to clear some possible confusion.
May the FORK be with you!

anticapitalista
Posts: 428
Joined: 2007-12-14 23:16
Has thanked: 12 times
Been thanked: 13 times

Re: MX Linux is standing on the shoulders of the Debian gian

#26 Post by anticapitalista »

golinux - I'm not here to pick a fight either. I just wanted to make it clear that antiX and MX are 2 different beasts when it comes to avoiding systemd as an init system.

antiX nosystemd debs are rebuilt from source, just as Angband does it. (We use some of their debs for sid and testing if they beat us to it in packaging).

We have also found that we have had to rebuild some other Debian stretch packages that nominally do not require systemd/libsystemd0 in order to work correctly on sysvinit eg ifplugd, ifupdown (stretch onwards).

Jessie was relatively easy to make a totally systemd-free including no libsystemd0 Debian based distro (antiX-16). Stretch and beyond is much more difficult and time consuming.
antiX with runit - lean and mean.
https://antixlinux.com

anticapitalista
Posts: 428
Joined: 2007-12-14 23:16
Has thanked: 12 times
Been thanked: 13 times

Re: MX Linux is standing on the shoulders of the Debian gian

#27 Post by anticapitalista »

golinux - I have a question for you.

Does Devuan build its own kernel or use a Debian one?
antiX with runit - lean and mean.
https://antixlinux.com

User avatar
HuangLao
Posts: 485
Joined: 2015-01-27 01:31
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: MX Linux is standing on the shoulders of the Debian gian

#28 Post by HuangLao »

anti, good points. This brings up a valid question for Debian derivatives....Could (if ever needed) antiX, MX and Devuan, exist independently of Debian by either rebasing on another distro or building all packages from source?

User avatar
golinux
Posts: 1579
Joined: 2010-12-09 00:56
Location: not a 'buntard!
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: MX Linux is standing on the shoulders of the Debian gian

#29 Post by golinux »

anticapitalista wrote:golinux - I have a question for you.

Does Devuan build its own kernel or use a Debian one?
Default Debian kernels.
May the FORK be with you!

User avatar
golinux
Posts: 1579
Joined: 2010-12-09 00:56
Location: not a 'buntard!
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: MX Linux is standing on the shoulders of the Debian gian

#30 Post by golinux »

HuangLao wrote:anti, good points. This brings up a valid question for Debian derivatives....Could (if ever needed) antiX, MX and Devuan, exist independently of Debian by either re-basing on another distro or building all packages from source?
If things continue down the current path of you-know-what continuing to tie itself to more and more packages/functions, it is likely that Devuan will of necessity have to stop using the Debian repos directly and instead fork them to Devuan infrastructure to preserve them.

We are already building/maintaining these packages from source for Devuan. There are others in testing and experimental.

Devuan's goal is to provide ALL Debian packages (and there are about 52000+ in
Ascii) for installation. Devuan also builds for many different architectures in an effort to be a "universal operating system".
May the FORK be with you!

anticapitalista
Posts: 428
Joined: 2007-12-14 23:16
Has thanked: 12 times
Been thanked: 13 times

Re: MX Linux is standing on the shoulders of the Debian gian

#31 Post by anticapitalista »

HuangLao wrote:anti, good points. This brings up a valid question for Debian derivatives....Could (if ever needed) antiX, MX and Devuan, exist independently of Debian by either rebasing on another distro or building all packages from source?
Unlike Devuan, we couldn't. We (I'm speaking for antiX not MX) simply do not have the resources to do so. Instead we would probably rebase off Devuan if Debian became impossible to manage without systemd.
golinux wrote:
anticapitalista wrote:golinux - I have a question for you.

Does Devuan build its own kernel or use a Debian one?
Default Debian kernels.
Thanks
antiX with runit - lean and mean.
https://antixlinux.com

User avatar
golinux
Posts: 1579
Joined: 2010-12-09 00:56
Location: not a 'buntard!
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: MX Linux is standing on the shoulders of the Debian gian

#32 Post by golinux »

anticapitalista wrote:Unlike Devuan, we couldn't. We (I'm speaking for antiX not MX) simply do not have the resources to do so. Instead we would probably rebase off Devuan if Debian became impossible to manage without systemd.
If it comes to that you and your formidable talents would be most welcome. You will find familiar faces there so a bit of a homecoming.
May the FORK be with you!

Post Reply