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A Leap to Testing

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dotlj
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Re: A Leap to Testing

#21 Post by dotlj »

I think that we all need to experiment, try various distros, find the one that suits us best, then customize it. The choice in Debian is excellent and I've been happy with it for many years.
As any user learns more about Debian, then they are able to do more such as install what they want and not install what they don't want. This seems to result in a number of Debian users moving towards minimal systems.
See for example the post of minimal RAM usage.
I use LibreOffice but use the

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apt-get --no-install-recommends install libreoffice
to do that, as the usual install pulls in java which may be one of the most popular languages but is also well known for vulnerabilities which I don't need.
There are a whole lot of other options such as using non Debian repositories, which generally I try to avoid. I have in the past tried LibreOffice from their website and several other packages, but as the differences between the current version and what is available in Debian stable are minimal, I haven't noticed any difference.
The only packages that I install from outside Debian repositories now are things like Signal messenger from https://signal.org/download/.
Hopefully, it will be available in the Debian repositories soon.

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Re: A Leap to Testing

#22 Post by Funkygoby »

It seems to me that the today-testing isn't the same I used to use back in the days (during the lenny squeeze days).
The very annoying things that used to happen was important package going missing. When one package would break stuff (ATI proprio fglrx driver), dev would promptly remove it for some days/weeks/month until fixed.
So I ended up with no fglrx driver. At that time the radeon/radeonhd weren't what they are today. A fellow, more advanced user, repacked the driver from an older version I think and made a repository, saving our asses in the same time.

My advice may be outdated but I recommand you add stable repository (and unstable with a strong pinning). So if a package disappear, you still have some fallback version from stable or unstable.

My 2nd advice would be, use unstable with good hygiene instead of testing(is apt bug list still a thing?). Testing ins't a semi-stable Debian. It feels safe but it can be rodeo-like Debian.

Unstable feels like a clean shared appartement. A lot of stuff happens but it's still sufferable and even a pleasure for those looking for activity/party.
Testing is like a house being built. With walls and a roof, you can start to live in here but the next day, workers come in, wake you up and mess the whole house, moving the concrete machine, using drills etc ...
Stable, of course, would be the home of your grandparents or your childhood where nothing moves.

This is to share my perception of the Debian versionning.

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Re: A Leap to Testing

#23 Post by Job »

After over 10 years of using Debian as my main OS, I am for the first time, running Stable. My machine started freezing on while playing video even before the release of Strech from testing. I was hoping that will go away but did not. I have tested my RAM, check my hard drive, video card, can't find the issue. So I am tempted to go back to testing but I am too old to be playing with stuff, I was hoping for a perfectly working Stable.
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Re: A Leap to Testing

#24 Post by Innovate »

It's so hilarious even Google start to based on Debian Buster Testing as well. GLinux that is.

https://itsfoss.com/goobuntu-glinux-google/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R68cCTEr6wo

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Re: A Leap to Testing

#25 Post by pylkko »

Innovate wrote:It's so hilarious even Google start to based on Debian Buster Testing as well. GLinux that is.

https://itsfoss.com/goobuntu-glinux-google/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R68cCTEr6wo
Why exactly is that 'hilarious'? You do know that Ubuntu has been based on a snapshot of Debian testing for some decades?

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Re: A Leap to Testing

#26 Post by Innovate »

pylkko wrote: Why exactly is that 'hilarious'? You do know that Ubuntu has been based on a snapshot of Debian testing for some decades?
And do you even know that I'd already knew that:
Ubuntu has been based on a snapshot of Debian testing for some decades
since before joined this forum?

Don't try to meddle affair if you don't know what I really laughing at it's none of your business.

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Re: A Leap to Testing

#27 Post by PeterB »

Wheelerof4te wrote:If anyone has some tips for running a Testing system, please share them.
My tip is to keep an eye on the transition tracker
https://release.debian.org/transitions/

Try to avoid updates that leave you straddling an incomplete transition!


Regards,
Pete

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Re: A Leap to Testing

#28 Post by Wheelerof4te »

So, I heard that GNOME team wants to ditch desktop icons in 3.28, and I have to (un)have that new feature ASAP :mrgreen:
The logical step:

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cat /etc/apt/sources.list
 
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free

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Re: A Leap to Testing

#29 Post by stevepusser »

You can drop my qbittorrent repo you have listed there; it looks like testing is now keeping it current. I also have now added Buster to the compiz-reloaded repository.
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Re: A Leap to Testing

#30 Post by pylkko »

Innovate wrote:
pylkko wrote: Why exactly is that 'hilarious'? You do know that Ubuntu has been based on a snapshot of Debian testing for some decades?
And do you even know that I'd already knew that:
Ubuntu has been based on a snapshot of Debian testing for some decades
since before joined this forum?

Don't try to meddle affair if you don't know what I really laughing at it's none of your business.
Uhm, no. Why would I know that if your behavior does not indicate that?

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Re: A Leap to Testing

#31 Post by dcihon »

ou can drop my qbittorrent repo you have listed there; it looks like testing is now keeping it current. I also have now added Buster to the compiz-reloaded repository.
Steve,
Great can you help me get my compiz fully working again on my testing computer?
Should I go back to the compiz thead and post some information?
Thanks
Dan

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Re: A Leap to Testing

#32 Post by dcihon »

Here is some good advice from the Debian Unstable page.
It applies to testing users also:

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What are some best practices for testing/sid users?

The most important thing is to keep in mind that you are participating in the development of Debian when you are tracking testing or unstable. This means that you should know your way around Linux, Debian and the Debian packaging system and that you should have an interest in tracking down and fixing bugs. There are a couple of things you can do in order to ease your life as a testing/sid user such as:

    Always be careful when you perform updates and check if the actions proposed by the package managing tools are in line with your wishes and expectations. (i.e. make sure that you do not remove a plethora of packages you need by blindly accepting the proposed action)

    Bearing this in mind, apt-get dist-upgrade to keep your system fully up-to-date, but if the proposed changes do look unreasonable, some of the simpler things that could help are:
        put packages on hold until the problem in the archive is resolved,

        use apt-get upgrade to avoid removals this time,
        simply wait until the archive has settled down to a more reasonable state before upgrading. 

    Install the apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges packages in order to be made aware of grave bugs or important changes when you install new packages or during an upgrade.

    Consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce@lists.debian.org (very low-traffic mailing list, 1 to 10 per month) to be notified on future technical changes or possible problems.

    Keep a good live CD/USB such as Debian Live around at all times so you can still work on the system even if it is not booting anymore.
    Automatically create daily, weekly and monthly backups in order to ensure that corrupted data is not a problem. 

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Re: A Leap to Testing

#33 Post by dcihon »

Would anyone like to help me with a problem with my testing machine?

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Re: A Leap to Testing

#34 Post by Ardouos »

dcihon wrote:Would anyone like to help me with a problem with my testing machine?
You should make a new post explaining what your problems are.
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Re: A Leap to Testing

#35 Post by dcihon »

Well I wanted a place to put all testing issues in so I only have one place to look. I was going to use this thread for that.

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Re: A Leap to Testing

#36 Post by Wheelerof4te »

^This thread is for giving advice to new users of Testing, or about sharing your experience with Testing. You should make a new thread for your problem, support questions don't belong here.

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