Head_on_a_Stick wrote:They're such a good idea that Microsoft have copied it for Win10
Yes, and Microsoft is in a better position to just say "my way or the highway" to it's consumers. Frankly, I sometimes miss that "benevolent dictator" style in Linux-land.
Say what you want about UWP app's usability, but they look great. Furthermore, MS plans to drop legacy win32 support (at least, move it to virtualization) for their top secret Windows Polaris and Andromeda OSes.
bw123 wrote:They should spend more time fixing bugs.
There are GNOME point releases for that. But, I agree in general.
debiman wrote:obviously, this is an internal gnome discussion, since my wm's titlebars contain more than that, and also aren't ridiculously oversized like in the example screenshot.not speaking of people who use no titlebars at all.
Yes, those title bars are huge, what were they thinking? Internal discussion or not, it will affect a lot of Linux users in the future.
oswaldkelso wrote:In my browser I keep the title bar, because guess what, it shows the full title of the thread, in my file manager it shows the path. Useful is that.
Using CSD, you don't lose that info. It is in your browser address bars and tabs. It is in your file manager's window. CSD are there to make you focus on an application. Because that is what you are using in the first place.
oswaldkelso wrote:The more I see and read about the Big DE's the less I see any reason to want to run one. They don't seem to offer anything new except less speed and less choice.
It's your right to use what you want. But to dismiss clear benefits to users of a more complete DE just because it "uses more RAM" (unused RAM is wasted RAM anyway) is shortsighted at best.
There were many improvements to end-user comfort and general polish just in the last two releases of GNOME (3.24, 3.26). These include night light integration (no need for Redshift), better look and feel, redesigned settings, better Wayland support, GTK3+ improvements, more CSD, improvements to native GNOME applications and hundreds of bug fixes.
We should be cheering for big DEs, not dismiss them just because they are "bloated". And they really are not, try installing gnome-core package.
Where is the real innovation?
It is in all of us, both users and developers.