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Get rid of Windows and install Debian
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Re: Get rid of Windows and install Debian
That's a broad statement and only partly true. I use Harrison Mixbus for audio production and find it to be better in many facets than the industry standard ProTools. And while Mixbus is still under rapid development along with it's progenitor Ardour, the main development in ProTools is in their licensing and how to extract more money from users (it now needs an annual subscription).pawRoot wrote:Just depends what you need, many people require pro software for photo editing, music production, videos etc.
And Linux is lacking badly in this *sector*.
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Re: Get rid of Windows and install Debian
This is just the point I was getting at earlier. Once you commit to a windows environment, you are hooked into an endless cycle of upgrades.sunrat wrote:...the main development in <irrelevant> is in their licensing and how to extract more money from users (it now needs an annual subscription).
...software, os, hardware, software, os, etc... and they sell you the same code over and over with a few minor additions and maybe a few bugfixes. You are supposed to throw away the hardware that no longer works.
But every version still contains the same code you already paid for!!
You can tell this is true by the persistent bugs over several version 'upgrades' it's the same code.
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Re: Get rid of Windows and install Debian
It's not broad statement, it's a fact, most pro software is available for Mac OS and Windows, i hope it will change one day though.sunrat wrote:That's a broad statement and only partly true. I use Harrison Mixbus for audio production and find it to be better in many facets than the industry standard ProTools. And while Mixbus is still under rapid development along with it's progenitor Ardour, the main development in ProTools is in their licensing and how to extract more money from users (it now needs an annual subscription).pawRoot wrote:Just depends what you need, many people require pro software for photo editing, music production, videos etc.
And Linux is lacking badly in this *sector*.
Pro Tools is mostly used for mixing and mastering, not production.
Another thing is good luck running most of the VST on Linux, most of the neccesary plugins for mixing/mastering are Mac/Windows only
so even if you could run Pro Tools on Debian it's still pointless.
lol what a bollocks, so you expect them to make upgrades to software and keep maintaining it/fixing bugs for free?bw123 wrote:This is just the point I was getting at earlier. Once you commit to a windows environment, you are hooked into an endless cycle of upgrades.sunrat wrote:...the main development in <irrelevant> is in their licensing and how to extract more money from users (it now needs an annual subscription).
...software, os, hardware, software, os, etc... and they sell you the same code over and over with a few minor additions and maybe a few bugfixes. You are supposed to throw away the hardware that no longer works.
But every version still contains the same code you already paid for!!
You can tell this is true by the persistent bugs over several version 'upgrades' it's the same code.
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Re: Get rid of Windows and install Debian
Mixing and mastering is production. Creating music is also production.pawRoot wrote: Pro Tools is mostly used for mixing and mastering, not production.
Another thing is good luck running most of the VST on Linux, most of the neccesary plugins for mixing/mastering are Mac/Windows only
so even if you could run Pro Tools on Debian it's still pointless.
You're right about the plugins, there are many thousands available for Mac/Windows only and many of them are very expensive. There are also a lot available for Linux and the best of them are expensive too. There are equivalent Linux plugins for a lot of Win/Mac ones and I certainly don't need most of the ones for which there is no equivalent.
I would expect bugs to be fixed for free. Only new features are worth paying for.lol what a bollocks, so you expect them to make upgrades to software and keep maintaining it/fixing bugs for free?
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Re: Get rid of Windows and install Debian
Unless you did a free upgrade to Windows 10 while it was avaiable. However, I don't know if it will stay free since every new build adds some new feature. In about a year, Windows 10 could switch to a subscription-based model, like RHEL or SUSE.sunrat wrote:I would expect bugs to be fixed for free. Only new features are worth paying for.
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Re: Get rid of Windows and install Debian
Wouldn't need to as they get their money through selling data and adds through the OS taking advantage of users ignorance/lack of care for their own privacy. Let's not forget that you still pay for a license for a new computer with Windows pre-installed or major hardware upgrade (supposedly).Wheelerof4te wrote: In about a year, Windows 10 could switch to a subscription-based model, like RHEL or SUSE.
It would not surprise me if they tried to pull off a paid subscription service to access some "advanced features".
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Re: Get rid of Windows and install Debian
When an "upgrade" or new version means...so you expect them to make upgrades to software and keep maintaining it/fixing bugs for free?
... the the 3rd party software you have paid for no longer works and also requires an "upgrade"
... your hardware won't function because it needs new drivers that aren't available
... that all you really get is some new wallpaper, new icons, rearranged ui and preinstalled software that was "free" already before, but you can't remove now
... you find the bugs/annoyances that have been present for years
It's not an upgrade, and if it costs money, then it's a rip off. This was my experience with MS. It's brilliant, it's a great business plan, everybody has made a lot of money, that's fine. How many times do you have to get your pocket picked before you realize what is going on?
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Re: Get rid of Windows and install Debian
True but thats how many people separate it, since quite often people make the track with some basic mix and then send it to sound engineer anyway who does the mix/mastering.sunrat wrote: Mixing and mastering is production. Creating music is also production.
So what i meant is people prefer to use ProTools for the second "stage", and for creating the track itself DAWs like Ableton/Logic etc.
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Re: Get rid of Windows and install Debian
Get rid of Windows and install Debian
Solves all the problems with MS and windows. People need to learn to "Just Say NO", and wean their selves from the dependency on windows.
Instead of paying Microsoft lot's of money, maybe try paying some qualified
Unix, and Unix like (linux), developers, to help encourage them to work on any software that they feel is lacking for Linux,... all though there is plenty of excellent software packages all ready available for Linux, contrary to the myths the MS windows lovers try to spread, there still is room for more, but the windows lovers prefer paying MS to control their systems, instead of paying for development of Linux software.
"Just Say NO , to MS" get rid of windows forever.
Solves all the problems with MS and windows. People need to learn to "Just Say NO", and wean their selves from the dependency on windows.
Instead of paying Microsoft lot's of money, maybe try paying some qualified
Unix, and Unix like (linux), developers, to help encourage them to work on any software that they feel is lacking for Linux,... all though there is plenty of excellent software packages all ready available for Linux, contrary to the myths the MS windows lovers try to spread, there still is room for more, but the windows lovers prefer paying MS to control their systems, instead of paying for development of Linux software.
"Just Say NO , to MS" get rid of windows forever.
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Re: Get rid of Windows and install Debian
First of all nobody forces you to buy any software on Windows, you can use free software same as on Linux.bw123 wrote:When an "upgrade" or new version means...so you expect them to make upgrades to software and keep maintaining it/fixing bugs for free?
... the the 3rd party software you have paid for no longer works and also requires an "upgrade"
... your hardware won't function because it needs new drivers that aren't available
... that all you really get is some new wallpaper, new icons, rearranged ui and preinstalled software that was "free" already before, but you can't remove now
... you find the bugs/annoyances that have been present for years
It's not an upgrade, and if it costs money, then it's a rip off. This was my experience with MS. It's brilliant, it's a great business plan, everybody has made a lot of money, that's fine. How many times do you have to get your pocket picked before you realize what is going on?
Second thing, can you give examples of such software? (software which changes UI only for example and forces you to pay for it)
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Re: Get rid of Windows and install Debian
If your work depends on Windows, then use Windows.
If your boss, who gives you your pay, forces you to use Windows, then use Windows;
If you need certain Adobe producs for work (WINE doesn't count and most people don't wanna hassle with it) or making money, then use Windows;
If you like Windows, then use Windows;
If you don't know any better or just don't care, then by all means, use Windows;
But if you:
Don't need Windows for anything crucial for your existance and financial well-being;
Don't want to pay M$ tax just to use your PC;
Hate buggy mess of an OS that is Windows (10);
Like to tinker with software sources, develop free software without any restrictions etc.;
Want some other DE choices;
then use something other than Windows.
Simple.
If your boss, who gives you your pay, forces you to use Windows, then use Windows;
If you need certain Adobe producs for work (WINE doesn't count and most people don't wanna hassle with it) or making money, then use Windows;
If you like Windows, then use Windows;
If you don't know any better or just don't care, then by all means, use Windows;
But if you:
Don't need Windows for anything crucial for your existance and financial well-being;
Don't want to pay M$ tax just to use your PC;
Hate buggy mess of an OS that is Windows (10);
Like to tinker with software sources, develop free software without any restrictions etc.;
Want some other DE choices;
then use something other than Windows.
Simple.
Re: Get rid of Windows and install Debian
Thank you all for your responses.
Too complicated for me. I'll think I'll try another distro.
Too complicated for me. I'll think I'll try another distro.
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Re: Get rid of Windows and install Debian
I put off installing Debian for years because I thought it was complicated. When I finally did, it wasn't hard at all. The only extra steps from some other distros is to install and configure hardware that required non-free packages which is all explained in the wiki although some hardware is less supported. There is also an "unofficial" non-free install media that includes most of the non-free bits.
I'd recommend MX-17 for a distro that's a bit more friendly to set up for new explorers.
I'd recommend MX-17 for a distro that's a bit more friendly to set up for new explorers.
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Re: Get rid of Windows and install Debian
+1sunrat wrote:I'd recommend MX-17 for a distro that's a bit more friendly to set up for new explorers.
It is a polished derivative of Debian Stretch, that is easy to install, very nice looking and has some nice configuration tools that are easy for inexperienced users to use. Great forum, too!