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My laptop heats up while playing any game.
My laptop heats up while playing any game.
Hello ,
So today I installed Debian 9 on my laptop. I tried to play Stardew Valley (a game) which is a fairly minimal game with low end requirements. The game started and I played it for like 15 - 20 min and then I noticed that my laptop had really heated up. I quickly quit the game when I noticed the game lagging. My Xfce system was for the most part fine but Firefox ESR really slowed down like the scrolling stopped being smooth ,closing tabs was slow with slow animations, etc. I thought it was particular to this game only but I noticed the same symptoms on all games I tried including the Windows ones (on wine). I even noticed the performance being worse in a lot of games than in Windows and Windows didn't really heat up my laptop a lot, since I don't really play any high end games.
I've also noticed that a lot of these games take up 100% of the CPU in 'top' .
So are the drivers for iGPUs just worse in linux or is there some other problem here. I thank you for any help.
Here are my hardware specs :
GPU - Intel Integrated Graphics HD 4600
Processor - Intel Core 4th Generation i5-4200M Processor (Dual Core, 2.5 GHz)
So today I installed Debian 9 on my laptop. I tried to play Stardew Valley (a game) which is a fairly minimal game with low end requirements. The game started and I played it for like 15 - 20 min and then I noticed that my laptop had really heated up. I quickly quit the game when I noticed the game lagging. My Xfce system was for the most part fine but Firefox ESR really slowed down like the scrolling stopped being smooth ,closing tabs was slow with slow animations, etc. I thought it was particular to this game only but I noticed the same symptoms on all games I tried including the Windows ones (on wine). I even noticed the performance being worse in a lot of games than in Windows and Windows didn't really heat up my laptop a lot, since I don't really play any high end games.
I've also noticed that a lot of these games take up 100% of the CPU in 'top' .
So are the drivers for iGPUs just worse in linux or is there some other problem here. I thank you for any help.
Here are my hardware specs :
GPU - Intel Integrated Graphics HD 4600
Processor - Intel Core 4th Generation i5-4200M Processor (Dual Core, 2.5 GHz)
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Re: My laptop heats up while playing any game.
Better hardware information:
install inxi.
Post the output of
You can also run
in a terminal while the game is running to
see what's eating up the most CPU.
install inxi.
Post the output of
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inxi -F
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top
see what's eating up the most CPU.
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Re: My laptop heats up while playing any game.
Wow, that sounds like a pretty successful first taste. It's not going to set itself up for you, it takes some patience. I think it's great that you even figured out how to get the game to run on your first try.So are the drivers for iGPUs just worse in linux or is there some other problem here. I thank you for any help.
And you did wine too? wow you're good.
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Re: My laptop heats up while playing any game.
Thanks for posting CPU and GPU data. So, you're not using a gaming machine. Although Windows games will play faster on Windows and not heat up the computer as much, because they are written for Windows, not Linux. Playing games on Wine slows down the performance of the games because you are running Wine and the game. Games written for Linux play well on Linux and if they could run on Windows would be slower. As most people buy computers with Windows installed, and less people install Linux, most games are written for Windows. Firefox uses resources but can be configured to be faster, depending on how many tabs you open at the same time.lockenohr wrote:Hello ,
So today I installed Debian 9 on my laptop. I tried to play Stardew Valley (a game) which is a fairly minimal game with low end requirements. The game started and I played it for like 15 - 20 min and then I noticed that my laptop had really heated up. I quickly quit the game when I noticed the game lagging. My Xfce system was for the most part fine but Firefox ESR really slowed down like the scrolling stopped being smooth ,closing tabs was slow with slow animations, etc. I thought it was particular to this game only but I noticed the same symptoms on all games I tried including the Windows ones (on wine). I even noticed the performance being worse in a lot of games than in Windows and Windows didn't really heat up my laptop a lot, since I don't really play any high end games.
I've also noticed that a lot of these games take up 100% of the CPU in 'top' .
So are the drivers for iGPUs just worse in linux or is there some other problem here. I thank you for any help.
Here are my hardware specs :
GPU - Intel Integrated Graphics HD 4600
Processor - Intel Core 4th Generation i5-4200M Processor (Dual Core, 2.5 GHz)
Drivers for Intel GPUs are generally quite good in Linux. I think that you will find Debian much more stable, easier to update, doesn't require rebooting any where near as much, and generally gives better overall performance.
Re: My laptop heats up while playing any game.
stevepusser wrote:Better hardware information:
install inxi.
Post the output ofCode: Select all
inxi -F
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System: Host: debian Kernel: 4.9.0-5-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit)
Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
Machine: Device: laptop System: Dell product: Latitude E6440 v: 01
Mobo: Dell model: 0YX2X3 v: A00 BIOS: Dell v: A05 date: 02/18/2014
Battery BAT0: charge: 60.0 Wh 191.4% condition: 31.4/60.0 Wh (52%)
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i5-4210M (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
clock speeds: max: 3200 MHz 1: 1324 MHz 2: 1831 MHz 3: 1732 MHz
4: 1039 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: intel
Resolution: 1366x768@59.99hz
GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Mobile
GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio: Card-1 Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio Controller
driver: snd_hda_intel
Card-2 Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller
driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.9.0-5-amd64
Network: Card-1: Intel Ethernet Connection I217-LM driver: e1000e
IF: eno1 state: down mac: ec:f4:bb:2f:36:1a
Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter
driver: ath9k
IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: b8:ee:65:b7:c4:8a
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (20.1% used)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST500LM000 size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 454G used: 90G (21%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-1
ID-2: /boot size: 236M used: 74M (33%) fs: ext2 dev: /dev/sda1
ID-3: swap-1 size: 4.20GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-2
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 52.0C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info: Processes: 178 Uptime: 3 min Memory: 514.3/3861.7MB
Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.5
Re: My laptop heats up while playing any game.
stevepusser wrote:
You can also run
in a terminal while the game is running toCode: Select all
top
see what's eating up the most CPU.
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top - 10:02:12 up 9 min, 1 user, load average: 0.93, 0.77, 0.40
Tasks: 175 total, 2 running, 173 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
%Cpu(s): 24.0 us, 3.7 sy, 0.0 ni, 62.6 id, 9.6 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 0.0 st
KiB Mem : 3954348 total, 128204 free, 1237208 used, 2588936 buff/cache
KiB Swap: 4100092 total, 4100092 free, 0 used. 1268540 avail Mem
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
4160 user 20 0 2462860 1.105g 459440 R 91.7 29.3 1:22.72 ck2
1146 user 20 0 2292576 302272 98664 S 7.6 7.6 0:48.90 x-www-brow+
700 root 20 0 400240 52072 40060 S 4.7 1.3 0:11.69 Xorg
1078 user 9 -11 1159200 12440 9160 S 1.3 0.3 0:01.15 pulseaudio
1057 user 20 0 141444 20064 11864 S 0.7 0.5 0:05.04 compton
46 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.08 kworker/3:1
964 user 20 0 370940 8604 7216 S 0.3 0.2 0:00.64 ibus-daemon
989 user 20 0 332628 20952 16644 S 0.3 0.5 0:00.38 ibus-x11
999 user 20 0 220208 5356 4780 S 0.3 0.1 0:00.15 at-spi2-re+
1016 user 20 0 192868 22428 18708 S 0.3 0.6 0:00.43 xfwm4
1017 user 20 0 214336 7884 7104 S 0.3 0.2 0:00.17 ibus-engin+
1026 user 20 0 275672 21752 18232 S 0.3 0.6 0:00.51 xfce4-panel
1030 user 20 0 517828 44488 25100 S 0.3 1.1 0:00.48 xfdesktop
1100 user 20 0 312916 14980 13284 S 0.3 0.4 0:00.01 polkit-gno+
4140 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.07 kworker/0:0
4151 user 20 0 505552 37816 28544 S 0.3 1.0 0:00.47 xfce4-term+
4181 user 20 0 45936 3760 3156 R 0.3 0.1 0:00.27 top
Also I've noticed one more thing , that the CPU usage remains at around 30% when game is not interacted with but rises up to 80 - 100 % when even the mouse is moved or a button is clicked on. I also noticed this on rpg maker vx ace games where when window is minimized the cpu usage goes down to 10 % (though this may be because it's not being rendered anymore). When the window is opened the cpu usage goes to 20 - 30 % and when a key is pressed cpu usage goes to 60 - 90 %.
On ck2 I also noticed the CPU usage going beyond 100 % to 120 - 130 %.
Last edited by lockenohr on 2018-02-02 07:21, edited 1 time in total.
Re: My laptop heats up while playing any game.
Here's my intel_gpu_top output while playing stardew valley
And the top output at the beginning
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render clock: unknown sampler clock: unknown
render busy: 37%: ███████▌ render space: 54/131072
bitstream busy: 0%: bitstream space: 0/131072
blitter busy: 11%: ██▎ blitter space: 6/131072
task percent busy
GAM: 37%: ███████▌ vert fetch: 12771817 (208188/sec)
SF: 11%: ██▎ prim fetch: 5328665 (69476/sec)
CL: 10%: ██ VS invocations: 10613208 (138472/sec)
GAFS: 9%: █▉ GS invocations: 0 (0/sec)
SOL: 9%: █▉ GS prims: 0 (0/sec)
GS: 9%: █▉ CL invocations: 5292466 (68996/sec)
DS: 9%: █▉ CL prims: 5232727 (69236/sec)
VS: 4%: ▉ PS invocations: 934725209056 (382835424/sec)
SVG: 4%: ▉ PS depth pass: 237496217818 (202825122/sec)
HS: 3%: ▋
VF: 1%: ▎
GAFM: 0%:
TDG: 0%:
VFE: 0%:
TE: 0%:
TSG: 0%:
And the top output at the beginning
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PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
10393 user 20 0 2973308 1.738g 78664 S 33.2 46.1 0:17.72 StardewValley.b
7017 user 20 0 141784 19988 11628 S 5.3 0.5 0:20.52 compton
6816 root 20 0 409848 55532 43456 S 4.3 1.4 0:42.67 Xorg
1078 user 9 -11 897056 13740 10404 S 2.0 0.3 0:45.55 pulseaudio
450 root 20 0 490812 14140 12496 S 0.3 0.4 0:05.40 NetworkManager
4176 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.88 kworker/1:0
4332 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.3 0.0 0:00.67 kworker/3:0
6989 user 20 0 2560952 518536 105776 S 0.3 13.1 5:43.89 firefox-esr
8795 user 20 0 506640 37736 27564 S 0.3 1.0 0:01.96 xfce4-terminal
10409 user 20 0 45936 3636 2992 R 0.3 0.1 0:00.10 top
1 root 20 0 204724 6452 5236 S 0.0 0.2 0:01.01 systemd
2 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd
3 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 ksoftirqd/0
5 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kworker/0:0H
7 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:02.51 rcu_sched
8 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 rcu_bh
9 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
10 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 lru-add-drain
11 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 watchdog/0
12 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cpuhp/0
13 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cpuhp/1
14 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 watchdog/1
15 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/1
16 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 ksoftirqd/1
18 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kworker/1:0H
19 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cpuhp/2
20 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 watchdog/2
21 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/2
22 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.22 ksoftirqd/2
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Re: My laptop heats up while playing any game.
This is probably not going to make much difference, but does disabling the compton compositer make any difference?
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Re: My laptop heats up while playing any game.
No, it doesn't.stevepusser wrote:This is probably not going to make much difference, but does disabling the compton compositer make any difference?
Re: My laptop heats up while playing any game.
Looks like a very complicated machine. Old enough to have a lot of good info out there. I'm not sure exactly where to start, or what could help.
It has several issues that have been solved though.
http://forum.techinferno.com/dell-latit ... ounge.html
I found the above and a lot more looking for
https://duckduckgo.com/html/?q=e6440+bios+a05
also this
http://www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-265 ... tling.html
so to followup the question in the first post:
It has several issues that have been solved though.
http://forum.techinferno.com/dell-latit ... ounge.html
I found the above and a lot more looking for
https://duckduckgo.com/html/?q=e6440+bios+a05
also this
http://www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-265 ... tling.html
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/sho ... leGate-FixThe Dell Latitude E6400 has a known throttling problem.
so to followup the question in the first post:
I would find it odd if you never experienced this same issue on the other os, but I guess it is possible that linux is worse.So are the drivers for iGPUs just worse in linux or is there some other problem here.
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Re: My laptop heats up while playing any game.
I found a solution for the performance degradation problem on archwiki.
Here's the script I found there
But though this removes the performance degradation , there is no change in the heating
Here's the script I found there
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#!/bin/bash
#execute with sudo/as root, exit with ctrl+c
modprobe msr
for (( ; ; ))
do
wrmsr 0x199 0xA26 #the value 0xA26 is the maximum VID and FID for a Core 2 Duo P8700, read the actual value for your Core 2 Duo with "rdmsr -f 44:32 0xCE"
wrmsr 0x19A 0x0 #this eliminates any clock modulation and super low frequency mode/half multiplier mode
sleep 0.1s #this can possibly be reduced, experiment
done
Re: My laptop heats up while playing any game.
Probably some combination of better heatsink/fan and underclocking, cpufreq limiting, or disabling the turbo boost stuff is going to be what you want. One thread I saw said the older ones throttled down when the temp hit 97F which isn't very high at all.
How hot do you think it is getting, the sensors output on inxi says 52C, about 125F?
If xfce4 doesn't have temp monitor, I use a little pkg called wmgtemp, it's made for a dock, but I use it even on kde because it's small and simple.
I actually almost bought one of these on craigs, glad now that I didn't. The heat/throttlegate thing didn't pop up on a regular search for the model. Good to know.
How hot do you think it is getting, the sensors output on inxi says 52C, about 125F?
If xfce4 doesn't have temp monitor, I use a little pkg called wmgtemp, it's made for a dock, but I use it even on kde because it's small and simple.
I actually almost bought one of these on craigs, glad now that I didn't. The heat/throttlegate thing didn't pop up on a regular search for the model. Good to know.
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