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Minimalistic setups - what are you running?

#1 Post by bedtime »

It seems that there are quite a few people on the forum who are into mininam setups (i.e., using low memory, cpu, diskspace...)

Right now I've taken minimalisation on as a hobby, so I'm interested to hear about what people are running. Please include some stats if you can.


I'll go first:

Version: Buster
Kernel: 4.14 (self compiled)
WM: dwm
Terminal: sc
Network: dhcpcd <3
Serv. Man.: sysinit
System Mem.: 4G
Memory used in graphical env. (not incl. buff.): 45M

A big factor seems to be the amount of ram you start with; the system processes seem to take more when you give them more. On a 1.5G machine, the same setup used about 25M.

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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?

#2 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

Version: Alpine Linux, edge repositories
Kernel: 4.14.17, stock Alpine kernel
WM: dwm [1]
Terminal: rxvt-unicode (daemon+clients)
Network: wpa_supplicant & static IPs
Init: OpenRC
System memory: 4GiB (amd64)
Memory used: 32MiB

ps_mem screenshot

You should switch from bloated old sysvinit to something more Unix-like :mrgreen:

Guide here:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=134915

[1] it's actually my own fork with all the xinerama stuff stripped out and my configuration hard-coded in: https://github.com/Head-on-a-Stick/dwm
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?

#3 Post by bedtime »

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Version: Alpine Linux, edge repositories
Kernel: 4.14.17, stock Alpine kernel
WM: dwm [1]
Terminal: rxvt-unicode (daemon+clients)
Network: wpa_supplicant & static IPs
Init: OpenRC
System memory: 4GiB (amd64)
Memory used: 32MiB
I'm impressed! *jealous* How is the text in rxvt? I found it to be too small for my liking, even with messing with .Xresources file. I like st term because it has hinted fonts and ease of editing the code.

Haven't heard of the Alpine kernel but will look up.
ps_mem screenshot

You should switch from bloated old sysvinit to something more Unix-like :mrgreen:

Guide here:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=134915

[1] it's actually my own fork with all the xinerama stuff stripped out and my configuration hard-coded in: https://github.com/Head-on-a-Stick/dwm
Thank you! I checked out the guide and tried to get it going for a bit and then gave up; I'm lucky to still be here! :shock:

I remember using openrc, and I loved it; so simple. For now, I use the xinerama stuff as I have dual monitors, but if I could properly get my xorg file configured, I could get rid of xinerama and not have to use xrandr, which would be nice. Then I would use your code. :)

Also, I should mention that I'm using surf browser (with tab coding added) and 'sic' irc client (if anyone cannot tell, I like suckless apts)...

If you or anyone knows of a decent way to 'easily' play youtube videos cheaply, please comment; I don't want to have to go though hoops to watch a video. :?

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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?

#4 Post by None1975 »

bedtime wrote:I'm impressed! *jealous* How is the text in rxvt? I found it to be too small for my liking, even with messing with .Xresources file.
Hello. For rxvt I use this set up. My fonts looks good :D

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! urxvt -------------------------------------------

URxvt.font: xft:Monospace:size=11
URxvt.boldFont: xft:Monospace:Bold:size=11
URxvt.letterSpace: -2
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?

#5 Post by debiman »

Version: jessie (oldstable)
Kernel: 3.16
WM: none
Terminal: tty
Network: nginx
Serv. Man.: mostly systemd
System Mem.: 2G
Memory used in graphical env. (not incl. buff.): -

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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?

#6 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

bedtime wrote:Haven't heard of the Alpine kernel but will look up.
Yes, sorry, I was being cheeky and posted the specifications for my Alpine Linux system (not Debian-based), this uses a busybox-based init and user space all compiled from musl libc rather than the bloated GNU variant and so has several advantages over Debian in respect of minimalism.

https://alpinelinux.org/

Anyway, my quoted figure is from the ps_mem utility so you should try that in your system so that we are comparing like-with-like:

https://github.com/pixelb/ps_mem

I think the `free` command over-estimates usage at low levels.

Are you still using bash?

That's as bloated as the rest of GNU's software range and can be swapped out for mksh (as found in your smartphone) for a faster, lighter, less buggy shell.

https://packages.debian.org/stretch/mksh
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#7 Post by Bulkley »

You might be interested in this old thread on streamlining Debian. There are good tips in it.

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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?

#8 Post by bedtime »

None1975 wrote:
bedtime wrote:I'm impressed! *jealous* How is the text in rxvt? I found it to be too small for my liking, even with messing with .Xresources file.
Hello. For rxvt I use this set up. My fonts looks good :D

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! urxvt -------------------------------------------

URxvt.font: xft:Monospace:size=11
URxvt.boldFont: xft:Monospace:Bold:size=11
URxvt.letterSpace: -2
Image
URxvt installed and running now. Ran as daemon. And yes, the fonts do look great (when I finally knew how to set them up). :) I like the tabs and backscroll. This will be my default term as it requires less resources than st when multiple tabs open.
debiman wrote:Version: jessie (oldstable)
Kernel: 3.16
WM: none
Terminal: tty
Network: nginx
Serv. Man.: mostly systemd
System Mem.: 2G
Memory used in graphical env. (not incl. buff.): -
Oldskool! :P
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bedtime wrote:Haven't heard of the Alpine kernel but will look up.
Yes, sorry, I was being cheeky and posted the specifications for my Alpine Linux system (not Debian-based), this uses a busybox-based init and user space all compiled from musl libc rather than the bloated GNU variant and so has several advantages over Debian in respect of minimalism.

https://alpinelinux.org/
I just watched a video (the 2017 DockerCon vid), and seems like something I want to try. Might try on the weekend. I really like that it uses OpenRC as its startup. <3 I only need to install a few things such as LibreOffice (a must for the work I do), surf, and mpsyt.
Anyway, my quoted figure is from the ps_mem utility so you should try that in your system so that we are comparing like-with-like:

https://github.com/pixelb/ps_mem

I think the `free` command over-estimates usage at low levels.
I don't like having to use root to do this process. But whatevs... Here is my result:

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# ps_mem
 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program

100.0 KiB +  87.5 KiB = 187.5 KiB	startx
176.0 KiB + 162.0 KiB = 338.0 KiB	sh (2)
264.0 KiB +  76.5 KiB = 340.5 KiB	init
244.0 KiB + 139.0 KiB = 383.0 KiB	xinit
236.0 KiB + 166.0 KiB = 402.0 KiB	fittstool
480.0 KiB +  51.0 KiB = 531.0 KiB	dhcpcd5
288.0 KiB + 429.0 KiB = 717.0 KiB	mksh (2)
596.0 KiB + 166.0 KiB = 762.0 KiB	cgmanager
516.0 KiB + 371.0 KiB = 887.0 KiB	su
632.0 KiB + 341.5 KiB = 973.5 KiB	login
  1.0 MiB + 208.0 KiB =   1.2 MiB	dbus-daemon
768.0 KiB + 574.0 KiB =   1.3 MiB	getty (5)
  1.1 MiB + 269.5 KiB =   1.3 MiB	sudo
960.0 KiB + 498.5 KiB =   1.4 MiB	dwm
  1.2 MiB + 244.5 KiB =   1.4 MiB	tabbed
604.0 KiB + 967.0 KiB =   1.5 MiB	urxvtd (2)
  2.3 MiB + 134.5 KiB =   2.5 MiB	systemd-udevd
  2.7 MiB + 238.0 KiB =   2.9 MiB	systemd-logind
  8.3 MiB +   1.8 MiB =  10.1 MiB	urxvt (2)
 24.7 MiB +  24.9 MiB =  49.6 MiB	Xorg
 61.9 MiB +  12.0 MiB =  73.9 MiB	WebKitNetworkProcess (3)
 36.2 MiB +  39.6 MiB =  75.7 MiB	surf (3)
245.6 MiB +  48.8 MiB = 294.4 MiB	WebKitWebProcess (3)
---------------------------------
                        522.8 MiB
=================================
# 
Seems that xorg is the hog here. Obviously I have some applications open, but one can see mainly what is generally opened on startup.


Are you still using bash?

That's as bloated as the rest of GNU's software range and can be swapped out for mksh (as found in your smartphone) for a faster, lighter, less buggy shell.

https://packages.debian.org/stretch/mksh
Was using zsh but am now running mksh as I have just looked into it and seems to fit the needs of the system.
Bulkley wrote:You might be interested in this old thread on streamlining Debian. There are good tips in it.
Thank you. I have just finished the aforementioned stuff and wanted to get this post in. Will update on progress. :)

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bedtime wrote:

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768.0 KiB + 574.0 KiB =   1.3 MiB	getty (5)
If you're using sysvinit then you can disable the TTYs you don't use in /etc/inittab

Interestingly, under systemd the TTY screens are only started "on demand" so that step is not needed :)

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 24.7 MiB +  24.9 MiB =  49.6 MiB	Xorg
Ouch.

If this an Intel machine try removing xserver-xorg-video-intel; if you're using any proprietary drivers switch back to the open version — fglrx is a complete memory hog, for example.

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 61.9 MiB +  12.0 MiB =  73.9 MiB	WebKitNetworkProcess (3)
 36.2 MiB +  39.6 MiB =  75.7 MiB	surf (3)
245.6 MiB +  48.8 MiB = 294.4 MiB	WebKitWebProcess (3)
While surf is a beautiful piece of software, the webkit libraries upon which it is based are not updated in Debian stable and so are dangerously outdated and should not be used.

The Debian stretch release notes have a warning to this effect:

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ ... r-security

The suckless site also has a warning about webkit:
suckless.org wrote:Note On Webkit Versions

Compile your own webkit or expect hell. The packaging of webkit is pure insane.
https://surf.suckless.org/

Good luck with that...

EDIT: I see you're using buster, that will be at least 10-14 days behind sid in respect of fixes for webkit so switching to unstable may be wise.

I prefer this technique when tracking sid:

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi ... al_literal
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24MB on idle

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#! nili ~ $ pstree
init─┬─dbus-daemon
     ├─login───startx───xinit─┬─Xorg
     │                        └─spectrwm─┬─conky───7*[{conky}]
     │                                   └─urxvt───bash───pstree
     └─udevd

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#! nili ~ $ psmem
 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program

176.0 KiB + 118.5 KiB = 294.5 KiB	startx
200.0 KiB + 159.0 KiB = 359.0 KiB	init
188.0 KiB + 305.5 KiB = 493.5 KiB	xinit
576.0 KiB + 196.0 KiB = 772.0 KiB	dbus-daemon
648.0 KiB + 210.0 KiB = 858.0 KiB	conky
564.0 KiB + 358.5 KiB = 922.5 KiB	login
856.0 KiB + 422.0 KiB =   1.2 MiB	sudo
  1.3 MiB + 211.5 KiB =   1.5 MiB	udevd
  1.5 MiB + 625.0 KiB =   2.1 MiB	bash
  1.1 MiB +   1.2 MiB =   2.3 MiB	spectrwm
  3.3 MiB +   1.4 MiB =   4.6 MiB	urxvt
  8.3 MiB + 479.5 KiB =   8.7 MiB	Xorg
---------------------------------
                         24.2 MiB
=================================
Warning: Swap is not reported by this system.
#! nili ~ $
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#11 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

^ very impressive Nili :cool:

Is that a 32-bit system?

How much RAM are you running?
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#12 Post by Nili »

Thanks :D Of course it is (x32/i686-pae). I could not made 20 MB with x64 with my ability.
I have 2GB installed.

It starts that way
18MB on boot or X
22MB startx + spectrwm + conky-cli
28MB ### +URxvt
40MB #### +SpaceFM
150MB ##### +Browser
300MB ###### +mpv
+ other daily tools/apps, so the tightened usage is 400MB. The rest are waste RAM.
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#13 Post by pylkko »

not to rain on the parade, but like some one said here previously: 32 (or 20) MB RAM idle, also known as 1 GB+ of RAM web browsing

check out nanolinux, which claims the total OS ( most common desktop applications and several games) is 14 MB.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/nanolinux/

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#14 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

pylkko wrote:1 GB+ of RAM web browsing
Depends on the browser :)

Here's a browser, a terminal and a task manager all running in less than 45MiB:

https://cdn.scrot.moe/images/2018/02/11 ... _scrot.png
nanolinux
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Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Version: Alpine Linux, edge repositories
Kernel: 4.14.17, stock Alpine kernel
WM: dwm [1]
Terminal: rxvt-unicode (daemon+clients)
Network: wpa_supplicant & static IPs
Init: OpenRC
System memory: 4GiB (amd64)
Memory used: 32MiB

ps_mem screenshot

You should switch from bloated old sysvinit to something more Unix-like :mrgreen:
SalixOS/Slackware
Kernel: 4.4.115
WM: fluxbox
Init: BSD/sysv
Mem: 8G
Used: when loads 50MB, idle closer to 100MB
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#16 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

@HuangLao: ps_mem output?

We need to know the RAM usage d00d.
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#17 Post by bedtime »

pylkko wrote:not to rain on the parade, but like some one said here previously: 32 (or 20) MB RAM idle, also known as 1 GB+ of RAM web browsing

check out nanolinux, which claims the total OS ( most common desktop applications and several games) is 14 MB.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/nanolinux/
What concerns me is the 'Last update' (being 2016-10). I like this idea of nano-X. Wonder if such a thing exists for Debian?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
bedtime wrote:

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768.0 KiB + 574.0 KiB =   1.3 MiB	getty (5)
If you're using sysvinit then you can disable the TTYs you don't use in /etc/inittab

Interestingly, under systemd the TTY screens are only started "on demand" so that step is not needed :)
All but two are disabled.

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 24.7 MiB +  24.9 MiB =  49.6 MiB	Xorg
Ouch.

If this an Intel machine try removing xserver-xorg-video-intel; if you're using any proprietary drivers switch back to the open version — fglrx is a complete memory hog, for example.
I removed xserver-xorg-video-intel and some others that I know I don't use, but that shaved off only .5mb or so at most.

Currently, I have these apps installed (WARNING: long list!):

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$apt list --installed                                                                                  
Listing...
adduser/testing,now 3.116 all [installed]
alsa-utils/testing,stable,now 1.1.3-1 amd64 [installed]
anacron/testing,stable,now 2.3-24 amd64 [installed,automatic]
apt/testing,now 1.6~alpha7 amd64 [installed]
apt-listchanges/testing,now 3.16 all [installed]
apt-utils/testing,now 1.6~alpha7 amd64 [installed]
asciidoc/testing,now 8.6.10-2 all [installed]
asciidoc-base/testing,now 8.6.10-2 all [installed,automatic]
asciidoc-common/testing,now 8.6.10-2 all [installed,automatic]
asciidoc-dblatex/testing,now 8.6.10-2 all [installed,automatic]
asciidoc-doc/testing,now 8.6.10-2 all [installed,automatic]
at-spi2-core/testing,now 2.26.2-2 amd64 [installed]
autoconf/testing,now 2.69-11 all [installed,automatic]
automake/testing,now 1:1.15.1-3 all [installed,automatic]
autopoint/testing,now 0.19.8.1-4 all [installed,automatic]
autotools-dev/testing,now 20171216.1 all [installed,automatic]
base-files/testing,now 10.1 amd64 [installed]
base-passwd/testing,now 3.5.44 amd64 [installed]
bash/testing,stable,now 4.4-5 amd64 [installed]
bash-completion/testing,stable,now 1:2.1-4.3 all [installed]
bc/testing,now 1.07.1-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
beep/testing,stable,now 1.3-4+b1 amd64 [installed]
biff/testing,stable,now 1:0.17.pre20000412-5+b2 amd64 [installed]
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binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu/testing,now 2.29.1-13 amd64 [installed,automatic]
bsdmainutils/testing,now 11.1.2 amd64 [installed]
bsdutils/testing,now 1:2.30.2-0.3 amd64 [installed]
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bzip2/testing,stable,now 1.0.6-8.1 amd64 [installed]
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compton/testing,stable,now 0.1~beta2+20150922-1 amd64 [installed]
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curl/testing,now 7.58.0-2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
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dbus/testing,now 1.12.2-1 amd64 [installed]
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debconf/testing,now 1.5.65 all [installed]
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debian-archive-keyring/testing,now 2017.7 all [installed]
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diffutils/testing,now 1:3.6-1 amd64 [installed]
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 61.9 MiB +  12.0 MiB =  73.9 MiB	WebKitNetworkProcess (3)
 36.2 MiB +  39.6 MiB =  75.7 MiB	surf (3)
245.6 MiB +  48.8 MiB = 294.4 MiB	WebKitWebProcess (3)
While surf is a beautiful piece of software, the webkit libraries upon which it is based are not updated in Debian stable and so are dangerously outdated and should not be used.
Is there any other minimal browser you could suggest? I am currently testing out midori. So far so good.

I can remember using Arch or Gentoo and having usage down to 25mb on openbox. However, that was a few years ago and I'm thinking I was using OpenRC with no sysd.

ATM, the usage is 47mb with 14 user tasks and 72 system. The kernel has just about everything yanked out of it that could possibly be taken out.

Nili,
Nili wrote:24MB on idle

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#! nili ~ $ pstree
init─┬─dbus-daemon
     ├─login───startx───xinit─┬─Xorg
     │                        └─spectrwm─┬─conky───7*[{conky}]
     │                                   └─urxvt───bash───pstree
     └─udevd

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#! nili ~ $ psmem
 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used	Program

176.0 KiB + 118.5 KiB = 294.5 KiB	startx
200.0 KiB + 159.0 KiB = 359.0 KiB	init
188.0 KiB + 305.5 KiB = 493.5 KiB	xinit
576.0 KiB + 196.0 KiB = 772.0 KiB	dbus-daemon
648.0 KiB + 210.0 KiB = 858.0 KiB	conky
564.0 KiB + 358.5 KiB = 922.5 KiB	login
856.0 KiB + 422.0 KiB =   1.2 MiB	sudo
  1.3 MiB + 211.5 KiB =   1.5 MiB	udevd
  1.5 MiB + 625.0 KiB =   2.1 MiB	bash
  1.1 MiB +   1.2 MiB =   2.3 MiB	spectrwm
  3.3 MiB +   1.4 MiB =   4.6 MiB	urxvt
  8.3 MiB + 479.5 KiB =   8.7 MiB	Xorg
---------------------------------
                         24.2 MiB
=================================
Warning: Swap is not reported by this system.
#! nili ~ $
How did you get your xorg down to 9mb? Whatever I'm doing, I'm using 5x that amount. :?

And thanks for all the ideas; I'm really enjoying this thread!

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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?

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bedtime wrote:I removed xserver-xorg-video-intel and some others that I know I don't use, but that shaved off only .5mb or so at most.
You could try disabling DRI3 (& perhaps Glamor as well) but I think the performance hit would be significant.
bedtime wrote:Is there any other minimal browser you could suggest?
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/links2

Run it in graphical mode with:

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OK, here we go: browser, terminal, task manager and "window manager" (tmux) running in under 15MiB:

https://cdn.scrot.moe/images/2018/02/12/lomem.png

Do I win? :mrgreen:
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bedtime wrote:How did you get your xorg down to 9mb? Whatever I'm doing, I'm using 5x that amount. :?
And thanks for all the ideas; I'm really enjoying this thread!
I did not much with Xorg, except installing minimal copy. Maybe the old architecture i use? I run x32 / i686 on my system.
x64 AMD is a bit more heavy versus x32, I've optimized my copy by installing very few packages that i need. Also tweaked by using ReduceDebian carefully.

I have those Xorg installed

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ii  xserver-common                2:1.16.4-1+deb8u2                 all          common files used by various X servers
ii  xserver-xorg                  1:7.7+7                           i386         X.Org X server
ii  xserver-xorg-core             2:1.16.4-1+deb8u2                 i386         Xorg X server - core server
ii  xserver-xorg-input-evdev      1:2.9.0-2                         i386         X.Org X server -- evdev input driver
ii  xserver-xorg-video-fbdev      1:0.4.4-1+b2                      i386         X.Org X server -- fbdev display driver
ii  xserver-xorg-video-intel      2:2.21.15-2+b2                    i386         X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:OK, here we go: browser, terminal, task manager and "window manager" (tmux) running in under 15MiB:
Do I win? :mrgreen:
Impressive :D, here you won, Yes! that can be done even on Debian with some whacks. Anyway, your effort is to be praised :)
Still haven't seen someone yet beating pidsley's 9MB
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