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Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
It seems that there are quite a few people on the forum who are into mininam setups (i.e., using low memory, cpu, diskspace...)
Right now I've taken minimalisation on as a hobby, so I'm interested to hear about what people are running. Please include some stats if you can.
I'll go first:
Version: Buster
Kernel: 4.14 (self compiled)
WM: dwm
Terminal: sc
Network: dhcpcd <3
Serv. Man.: sysinit
System Mem.: 4G
Memory used in graphical env. (not incl. buff.): 45M
A big factor seems to be the amount of ram you start with; the system processes seem to take more when you give them more. On a 1.5G machine, the same setup used about 25M.
Right now I've taken minimalisation on as a hobby, so I'm interested to hear about what people are running. Please include some stats if you can.
I'll go first:
Version: Buster
Kernel: 4.14 (self compiled)
WM: dwm
Terminal: sc
Network: dhcpcd <3
Serv. Man.: sysinit
System Mem.: 4G
Memory used in graphical env. (not incl. buff.): 45M
A big factor seems to be the amount of ram you start with; the system processes seem to take more when you give them more. On a 1.5G machine, the same setup used about 25M.
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
Version: Alpine Linux, edge repositories
Kernel: 4.14.17, stock Alpine kernel
WM: dwm [1]
Terminal: rxvt-unicode (daemon+clients)
Network: wpa_supplicant & static IPs
Init: OpenRC
System memory: 4GiB (amd64)
Memory used: 32MiB
ps_mem screenshot
You should switch from bloated old sysvinit to something more Unix-like
Guide here:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=134915
[1] it's actually my own fork with all the xinerama stuff stripped out and my configuration hard-coded in: https://github.com/Head-on-a-Stick/dwm
Kernel: 4.14.17, stock Alpine kernel
WM: dwm [1]
Terminal: rxvt-unicode (daemon+clients)
Network: wpa_supplicant & static IPs
Init: OpenRC
System memory: 4GiB (amd64)
Memory used: 32MiB
ps_mem screenshot
You should switch from bloated old sysvinit to something more Unix-like
Guide here:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=134915
[1] it's actually my own fork with all the xinerama stuff stripped out and my configuration hard-coded in: https://github.com/Head-on-a-Stick/dwm
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
I'm impressed! *jealous* How is the text in rxvt? I found it to be too small for my liking, even with messing with .Xresources file. I like st term because it has hinted fonts and ease of editing the code.Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Version: Alpine Linux, edge repositories
Kernel: 4.14.17, stock Alpine kernel
WM: dwm [1]
Terminal: rxvt-unicode (daemon+clients)
Network: wpa_supplicant & static IPs
Init: OpenRC
System memory: 4GiB (amd64)
Memory used: 32MiB
Haven't heard of the Alpine kernel but will look up.
Thank you! I checked out the guide and tried to get it going for a bit and then gave up; I'm lucky to still be here!ps_mem screenshot
You should switch from bloated old sysvinit to something more Unix-like
Guide here:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=134915
[1] it's actually my own fork with all the xinerama stuff stripped out and my configuration hard-coded in: https://github.com/Head-on-a-Stick/dwm
I remember using openrc, and I loved it; so simple. For now, I use the xinerama stuff as I have dual monitors, but if I could properly get my xorg file configured, I could get rid of xinerama and not have to use xrandr, which would be nice. Then I would use your code.
Also, I should mention that I'm using surf browser (with tab coding added) and 'sic' irc client (if anyone cannot tell, I like suckless apts)...
If you or anyone knows of a decent way to 'easily' play youtube videos cheaply, please comment; I don't want to have to go though hoops to watch a video.
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
Hello. For rxvt I use this set up. My fonts looks goodbedtime wrote:I'm impressed! *jealous* How is the text in rxvt? I found it to be too small for my liking, even with messing with .Xresources file.
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! urxvt -------------------------------------------
URxvt.font: xft:Monospace:size=11
URxvt.boldFont: xft:Monospace:Bold:size=11
URxvt.letterSpace: -2
Last edited by None1975 on 2018-02-09 15:01, edited 1 time in total.
OS: Debian 12.4 Bookworm / DE: Enlightenment
Debian Wiki | DontBreakDebian, My config files on github
Debian Wiki | DontBreakDebian, My config files on github
Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
Version: jessie (oldstable)
Kernel: 3.16
WM: none
Terminal: tty
Network: nginx
Serv. Man.: mostly systemd
System Mem.: 2G
Memory used in graphical env. (not incl. buff.): -
Kernel: 3.16
WM: none
Terminal: tty
Network: nginx
Serv. Man.: mostly systemd
System Mem.: 2G
Memory used in graphical env. (not incl. buff.): -
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
Yes, sorry, I was being cheeky and posted the specifications for my Alpine Linux system (not Debian-based), this uses a busybox-based init and user space all compiled from musl libc rather than the bloated GNU variant and so has several advantages over Debian in respect of minimalism.bedtime wrote:Haven't heard of the Alpine kernel but will look up.
https://alpinelinux.org/
Anyway, my quoted figure is from the ps_mem utility so you should try that in your system so that we are comparing like-with-like:
https://github.com/pixelb/ps_mem
I think the `free` command over-estimates usage at low levels.
Are you still using bash?
That's as bloated as the rest of GNU's software range and can be swapped out for mksh (as found in your smartphone) for a faster, lighter, less buggy shell.
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/mksh
deadbang
Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
You might be interested in this old thread on streamlining Debian. There are good tips in it.
Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
URxvt installed and running now. Ran as daemon. And yes, the fonts do look great (when I finally knew how to set them up). I like the tabs and backscroll. This will be my default term as it requires less resources than st when multiple tabs open.None1975 wrote:Hello. For rxvt I use this set up. My fonts looks goodbedtime wrote:I'm impressed! *jealous* How is the text in rxvt? I found it to be too small for my liking, even with messing with .Xresources file.Code: Select all
! urxvt ------------------------------------------- URxvt.font: xft:Monospace:size=11 URxvt.boldFont: xft:Monospace:Bold:size=11 URxvt.letterSpace: -2
Oldskool!debiman wrote:Version: jessie (oldstable)
Kernel: 3.16
WM: none
Terminal: tty
Network: nginx
Serv. Man.: mostly systemd
System Mem.: 2G
Memory used in graphical env. (not incl. buff.): -
I just watched a video (the 2017 DockerCon vid), and seems like something I want to try. Might try on the weekend. I really like that it uses OpenRC as its startup. <3 I only need to install a few things such as LibreOffice (a must for the work I do), surf, and mpsyt.Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Yes, sorry, I was being cheeky and posted the specifications for my Alpine Linux system (not Debian-based), this uses a busybox-based init and user space all compiled from musl libc rather than the bloated GNU variant and so has several advantages over Debian in respect of minimalism.bedtime wrote:Haven't heard of the Alpine kernel but will look up.
https://alpinelinux.org/
I don't like having to use root to do this process. But whatevs... Here is my result:Anyway, my quoted figure is from the ps_mem utility so you should try that in your system so that we are comparing like-with-like:
https://github.com/pixelb/ps_mem
I think the `free` command over-estimates usage at low levels.
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# ps_mem
Private + Shared = RAM used Program
100.0 KiB + 87.5 KiB = 187.5 KiB startx
176.0 KiB + 162.0 KiB = 338.0 KiB sh (2)
264.0 KiB + 76.5 KiB = 340.5 KiB init
244.0 KiB + 139.0 KiB = 383.0 KiB xinit
236.0 KiB + 166.0 KiB = 402.0 KiB fittstool
480.0 KiB + 51.0 KiB = 531.0 KiB dhcpcd5
288.0 KiB + 429.0 KiB = 717.0 KiB mksh (2)
596.0 KiB + 166.0 KiB = 762.0 KiB cgmanager
516.0 KiB + 371.0 KiB = 887.0 KiB su
632.0 KiB + 341.5 KiB = 973.5 KiB login
1.0 MiB + 208.0 KiB = 1.2 MiB dbus-daemon
768.0 KiB + 574.0 KiB = 1.3 MiB getty (5)
1.1 MiB + 269.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB sudo
960.0 KiB + 498.5 KiB = 1.4 MiB dwm
1.2 MiB + 244.5 KiB = 1.4 MiB tabbed
604.0 KiB + 967.0 KiB = 1.5 MiB urxvtd (2)
2.3 MiB + 134.5 KiB = 2.5 MiB systemd-udevd
2.7 MiB + 238.0 KiB = 2.9 MiB systemd-logind
8.3 MiB + 1.8 MiB = 10.1 MiB urxvt (2)
24.7 MiB + 24.9 MiB = 49.6 MiB Xorg
61.9 MiB + 12.0 MiB = 73.9 MiB WebKitNetworkProcess (3)
36.2 MiB + 39.6 MiB = 75.7 MiB surf (3)
245.6 MiB + 48.8 MiB = 294.4 MiB WebKitWebProcess (3)
---------------------------------
522.8 MiB
=================================
#
Was using zsh but am now running mksh as I have just looked into it and seems to fit the needs of the system.Are you still using bash?
That's as bloated as the rest of GNU's software range and can be swapped out for mksh (as found in your smartphone) for a faster, lighter, less buggy shell.
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/mksh
Thank you. I have just finished the aforementioned stuff and wanted to get this post in. Will update on progress.Bulkley wrote:You might be interested in this old thread on streamlining Debian. There are good tips in it.
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
If you're using sysvinit then you can disable the TTYs you don't use in /etc/inittabbedtime wrote:Code: Select all
768.0 KiB + 574.0 KiB = 1.3 MiB getty (5)
Interestingly, under systemd the TTY screens are only started "on demand" so that step is not needed
Ouch.Code: Select all
24.7 MiB + 24.9 MiB = 49.6 MiB Xorg
If this an Intel machine try removing xserver-xorg-video-intel; if you're using any proprietary drivers switch back to the open version — fglrx is a complete memory hog, for example.
While surf is a beautiful piece of software, the webkit libraries upon which it is based are not updated in Debian stable and so are dangerously outdated and should not be used.Code: Select all
61.9 MiB + 12.0 MiB = 73.9 MiB WebKitNetworkProcess (3) 36.2 MiB + 39.6 MiB = 75.7 MiB surf (3) 245.6 MiB + 48.8 MiB = 294.4 MiB WebKitWebProcess (3)
The Debian stretch release notes have a warning to this effect:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ ... r-security
The suckless site also has a warning about webkit:
https://surf.suckless.org/suckless.org wrote:Note On Webkit Versions
Compile your own webkit or expect hell. The packaging of webkit is pure insane.
Good luck with that...
EDIT: I see you're using buster, that will be at least 10-14 days behind sid in respect of fixes for webkit so switching to unstable may be wise.
I prefer this technique when tracking sid:
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi ... al_literal
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
24MB on idle
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#! nili ~ $ pstree
init─┬─dbus-daemon
├─login───startx───xinit─┬─Xorg
│ └─spectrwm─┬─conky───7*[{conky}]
│ └─urxvt───bash───pstree
└─udevd
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#! nili ~ $ psmem
Private + Shared = RAM used Program
176.0 KiB + 118.5 KiB = 294.5 KiB startx
200.0 KiB + 159.0 KiB = 359.0 KiB init
188.0 KiB + 305.5 KiB = 493.5 KiB xinit
576.0 KiB + 196.0 KiB = 772.0 KiB dbus-daemon
648.0 KiB + 210.0 KiB = 858.0 KiB conky
564.0 KiB + 358.5 KiB = 922.5 KiB login
856.0 KiB + 422.0 KiB = 1.2 MiB sudo
1.3 MiB + 211.5 KiB = 1.5 MiB udevd
1.5 MiB + 625.0 KiB = 2.1 MiB bash
1.1 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 2.3 MiB spectrwm
3.3 MiB + 1.4 MiB = 4.6 MiB urxvt
8.3 MiB + 479.5 KiB = 8.7 MiB Xorg
---------------------------------
24.2 MiB
=================================
Warning: Swap is not reported by this system.
#! nili ~ $
openSUSE Tumbleweed KDE/Wayland
♫♪ Elisa playing...
Damascus Cocktail ♪ Black Reverie ♪ Dye the sky.
♫♪ Elisa playing...
Damascus Cocktail ♪ Black Reverie ♪ Dye the sky.
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
^ very impressive Nili
Is that a 32-bit system?
How much RAM are you running?
Is that a 32-bit system?
How much RAM are you running?
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
Thanks Of course it is (x32/i686-pae). I could not made 20 MB with x64 with my ability.
I have 2GB installed.
It starts that way
18MB on boot or X
22MB startx + spectrwm + conky-cli
28MB ### +URxvt
40MB #### +SpaceFM
150MB ##### +Browser
300MB ###### +mpv
+ other daily tools/apps, so the tightened usage is 400MB. The rest are waste RAM.
I have 2GB installed.
It starts that way
18MB on boot or X
22MB startx + spectrwm + conky-cli
28MB ### +URxvt
40MB #### +SpaceFM
150MB ##### +Browser
300MB ###### +mpv
+ other daily tools/apps, so the tightened usage is 400MB. The rest are waste RAM.
openSUSE Tumbleweed KDE/Wayland
♫♪ Elisa playing...
Damascus Cocktail ♪ Black Reverie ♪ Dye the sky.
♫♪ Elisa playing...
Damascus Cocktail ♪ Black Reverie ♪ Dye the sky.
Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
not to rain on the parade, but like some one said here previously: 32 (or 20) MB RAM idle, also known as 1 GB+ of RAM web browsing
check out nanolinux, which claims the total OS ( most common desktop applications and several games) is 14 MB.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/nanolinux/
check out nanolinux, which claims the total OS ( most common desktop applications and several games) is 14 MB.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/nanolinux/
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
Depends on the browserpylkko wrote:1 GB+ of RAM web browsing
Here's a browser, a terminal and a task manager all running in less than 45MiB:
https://cdn.scrot.moe/images/2018/02/11 ... _scrot.png
Nice!nanolinux
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
SalixOS/SlackwareHead_on_a_Stick wrote:Version: Alpine Linux, edge repositories
Kernel: 4.14.17, stock Alpine kernel
WM: dwm [1]
Terminal: rxvt-unicode (daemon+clients)
Network: wpa_supplicant & static IPs
Init: OpenRC
System memory: 4GiB (amd64)
Memory used: 32MiB
ps_mem screenshot
You should switch from bloated old sysvinit to something more Unix-like
Kernel: 4.4.115
WM: fluxbox
Init: BSD/sysv
Mem: 8G
Used: when loads 50MB, idle closer to 100MB
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
@HuangLao: ps_mem output?
We need to know the RAM usage d00d.
We need to know the RAM usage d00d.
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
What concerns me is the 'Last update' (being 2016-10). I like this idea of nano-X. Wonder if such a thing exists for Debian?pylkko wrote:not to rain on the parade, but like some one said here previously: 32 (or 20) MB RAM idle, also known as 1 GB+ of RAM web browsing
check out nanolinux, which claims the total OS ( most common desktop applications and several games) is 14 MB.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/nanolinux/
All but two are disabled.Head_on_a_Stick wrote:If you're using sysvinit then you can disable the TTYs you don't use in /etc/inittabbedtime wrote:Code: Select all
768.0 KiB + 574.0 KiB = 1.3 MiB getty (5)
Interestingly, under systemd the TTY screens are only started "on demand" so that step is not needed
I removed xserver-xorg-video-intel and some others that I know I don't use, but that shaved off only .5mb or so at most.Ouch.Code: Select all
24.7 MiB + 24.9 MiB = 49.6 MiB Xorg
If this an Intel machine try removing xserver-xorg-video-intel; if you're using any proprietary drivers switch back to the open version — fglrx is a complete memory hog, for example.
Currently, I have these apps installed (WARNING: long list!):
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$apt list --installed
Listing...
adduser/testing,now 3.116 all [installed]
alsa-utils/testing,stable,now 1.1.3-1 amd64 [installed]
anacron/testing,stable,now 2.3-24 amd64 [installed,automatic]
apt/testing,now 1.6~alpha7 amd64 [installed]
apt-listchanges/testing,now 3.16 all [installed]
apt-utils/testing,now 1.6~alpha7 amd64 [installed]
asciidoc/testing,now 8.6.10-2 all [installed]
asciidoc-base/testing,now 8.6.10-2 all [installed,automatic]
asciidoc-common/testing,now 8.6.10-2 all [installed,automatic]
asciidoc-dblatex/testing,now 8.6.10-2 all [installed,automatic]
asciidoc-doc/testing,now 8.6.10-2 all [installed,automatic]
at-spi2-core/testing,now 2.26.2-2 amd64 [installed]
autoconf/testing,now 2.69-11 all [installed,automatic]
automake/testing,now 1:1.15.1-3 all [installed,automatic]
autopoint/testing,now 0.19.8.1-4 all [installed,automatic]
autotools-dev/testing,now 20171216.1 all [installed,automatic]
base-files/testing,now 10.1 amd64 [installed]
base-passwd/testing,now 3.5.44 amd64 [installed]
bash/testing,stable,now 4.4-5 amd64 [installed]
bash-completion/testing,stable,now 1:2.1-4.3 all [installed]
bc/testing,now 1.07.1-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
beep/testing,stable,now 1.3-4+b1 amd64 [installed]
biff/testing,stable,now 1:0.17.pre20000412-5+b2 amd64 [installed]
bind9-host/testing,now 1:9.11.2.P1-1 amd64 [installed]
binutils/testing,now 2.29.1-13 amd64 [installed,automatic]
binutils-common/testing,now 2.29.1-13 amd64 [installed,automatic]
binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu/testing,now 2.29.1-13 amd64 [installed,automatic]
bsdmainutils/testing,now 11.1.2 amd64 [installed]
bsdutils/testing,now 1:2.30.2-0.3 amd64 [installed]
build-essential/testing,now 12.4 amd64 [installed]
bzip2/testing,stable,now 1.0.6-8.1 amd64 [installed]
ca-certificates/testing,now 20170717 all [installed,automatic]
cmake/testing,now 3.9.5-1 amd64 [installed]
cmake-data/testing,now 3.9.5-1 all [installed,automatic]
compton/testing,stable,now 0.1~beta2+20150922-1 amd64 [installed]
console-setup/testing,now 1.176 all [installed]
console-setup-linux/testing,now 1.176 all [installed,automatic]
coreutils/testing,now 8.28-1 amd64 [installed]
cpio/testing,now 2.12+dfsg-6 amd64 [installed]
cpp/testing,now 4:7.2.0-1d1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cpp-7/testing,now 7.2.0-19 amd64 [installed,automatic]
curl/testing,now 7.58.0-2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
dash/testing,now 0.5.8-2.10 amd64 [installed]
dblatex/testing,now 0.3.10-2 all [installed,automatic]
dblatex-doc/testing,now 0.3.10-2 all [installed,automatic]
dbus/testing,now 1.12.2-1 amd64 [installed]
dbus-user-session/testing,now 1.12.2-1 amd64 [installed]
debconf/testing,now 1.5.65 all [installed]
debconf-i18n/testing,now 1.5.65 all [installed]
debian-archive-keyring/testing,now 2017.7 all [installed]
debian-faq/testing,stable,now 8.1 all [installed]
debianutils/testing,now 4.8.4 amd64 [installed]
dh-python/testing,stable,now 2.20170125 all [installed,automatic]
dhcpcd5/testing,stable,now 6.10.1-1 amd64 [installed]
dialog/testing,now 1.3-20171209-1 amd64 [installed]
diffutils/testing,now 1:3.6-1 amd64 [installed]
dirmngr/testing,now 2.2.4-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
discover/testing,now 2.1.2-8 amd64 [installed]
discover-data/testing,stable,now 2.2013.01.11 all [installed,automatic]
distro-info-data/testing,now 0.37 all [installed,automatic]
dmidecode/testing,now 3.1-1 amd64 [installed]
dmsetup/testing,now 2:1.02.145-4.1 amd64 [installed]
doc-debian/testing,stable,now 6.4 all [installed]
docbook-dsssl/testing,stable,now 1.79-9.1 all [installed,automatic]
docbook-utils/testing,stable,now 0.6.14-3.3 all [installed,automatic]
docbook-xml/testing,stable,now 4.5-8 all [installed,automatic]
docbook-xsl/testing,stable,now 1.79.1+dfsg-2 all [installed,automatic]
dosfstools/testing,stable,now 4.1-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
dpkg/testing,now 1.19.0.5 amd64 [installed]
dpkg-dev/testing,now 1.19.0.5 all [installed,automatic]
dwm/testing,now 6.1-4 amd64 [installed]
e2fslibs/testing,now 1.43.8-2 amd64 [installed]
e2fsprogs/testing,now 1.43.8-2 amd64 [installed]
fakeroot/testing,now 1.22-2 amd64 [installed]
fdisk/testing,now 2.30.2-0.3 amd64 [installed]
feh/testing,now 2.22.2-1 amd64 [installed]
file/testing,now 1:5.32-1 amd64 [installed]
findutils/testing,now 4.6.0+git+20170828-2 amd64 [installed]
fontconfig/testing,now 2.12.6-0.1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
fontconfig-config/testing,now 2.12.6-0.1 all [installed,automatic]
fonts-cantarell/testing,now 0.0.25-4 all [installed]
fonts-dejavu/testing,stable,now 2.37-1 all [installed]
fonts-dejavu-core/testing,stable,now 2.37-1 all [installed,automatic]
fonts-dejavu-extra/testing,stable,now 2.37-1 all [installed,automatic]
fonts-droid-fallback/testing,stable,now 1:6.0.1r16-1.1 all [installed,automatic]
fonts-gfs-baskerville/testing,stable,now 1.1-5 all [installed,automatic]
fonts-gfs-porson/testing,stable,now 1.1-6 all [installed,automatic]
fonts-lato/testing,now 2.0-2 all [installed,automatic]
fonts-liberation/testing,now 1:1.07.4-5 all [installed,automatic]
fonts-liberation2/testing,now 2.00.1-5 all [installed,automatic]
fonts-lmodern/testing,stable,now 2.004.5-3 all [installed,automatic]
fonts-noto-mono/testing,now 20171026-2 all [installed,automatic]
fonts-opensymbol/testing,now 2:102.10+LibO6.0.0-1 all [installed,automatic]
fonts-texgyre/testing,stable,now 20160520-1 all [installed,automatic]
fonts-vlgothic/testing,now 20141206-4 all [installed,automatic]
fuse/testing,stable,now 2.9.7-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
g++/testing,now 4:7.2.0-1d1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
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Is there any other minimal browser you could suggest? I am currently testing out midori. So far so good.While surf is a beautiful piece of software, the webkit libraries upon which it is based are not updated in Debian stable and so are dangerously outdated and should not be used.Code: Select all
61.9 MiB + 12.0 MiB = 73.9 MiB WebKitNetworkProcess (3) 36.2 MiB + 39.6 MiB = 75.7 MiB surf (3) 245.6 MiB + 48.8 MiB = 294.4 MiB WebKitWebProcess (3)
I can remember using Arch or Gentoo and having usage down to 25mb on openbox. However, that was a few years ago and I'm thinking I was using OpenRC with no sysd.
ATM, the usage is 47mb with 14 user tasks and 72 system. The kernel has just about everything yanked out of it that could possibly be taken out.
Nili,
How did you get your xorg down to 9mb? Whatever I'm doing, I'm using 5x that amount.Nili wrote:24MB on idleCode: Select all
#! nili ~ $ pstree init─┬─dbus-daemon ├─login───startx───xinit─┬─Xorg │ └─spectrwm─┬─conky───7*[{conky}] │ └─urxvt───bash───pstree └─udevd
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#! nili ~ $ psmem Private + Shared = RAM used Program 176.0 KiB + 118.5 KiB = 294.5 KiB startx 200.0 KiB + 159.0 KiB = 359.0 KiB init 188.0 KiB + 305.5 KiB = 493.5 KiB xinit 576.0 KiB + 196.0 KiB = 772.0 KiB dbus-daemon 648.0 KiB + 210.0 KiB = 858.0 KiB conky 564.0 KiB + 358.5 KiB = 922.5 KiB login 856.0 KiB + 422.0 KiB = 1.2 MiB sudo 1.3 MiB + 211.5 KiB = 1.5 MiB udevd 1.5 MiB + 625.0 KiB = 2.1 MiB bash 1.1 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 2.3 MiB spectrwm 3.3 MiB + 1.4 MiB = 4.6 MiB urxvt 8.3 MiB + 479.5 KiB = 8.7 MiB Xorg --------------------------------- 24.2 MiB ================================= Warning: Swap is not reported by this system. #! nili ~ $
And thanks for all the ideas; I'm really enjoying this thread!
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
You could try disabling DRI3 (& perhaps Glamor as well) but I think the performance hit would be significant.bedtime wrote:I removed xserver-xorg-video-intel and some others that I know I don't use, but that shaved off only .5mb or so at most.
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/links2bedtime wrote:Is there any other minimal browser you could suggest?
Run it in graphical mode with:
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
OK, here we go: browser, terminal, task manager and "window manager" (tmux) running in under 15MiB:
https://cdn.scrot.moe/images/2018/02/12/lomem.png
Do I win?
https://cdn.scrot.moe/images/2018/02/12/lomem.png
Do I win?
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Re: Minimalistic setups - what are you running?
I did not much with Xorg, except installing minimal copy. Maybe the old architecture i use? I run x32 / i686 on my system.bedtime wrote:How did you get your xorg down to 9mb? Whatever I'm doing, I'm using 5x that amount.
And thanks for all the ideas; I'm really enjoying this thread!
x64 AMD is a bit more heavy versus x32, I've optimized my copy by installing very few packages that i need. Also tweaked by using ReduceDebian carefully.
I have those Xorg installed
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ii xserver-common 2:1.16.4-1+deb8u2 all common files used by various X servers
ii xserver-xorg 1:7.7+7 i386 X.Org X server
ii xserver-xorg-core 2:1.16.4-1+deb8u2 i386 Xorg X server - core server
ii xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.9.0-2 i386 X.Org X server -- evdev input driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-fbdev 1:0.4.4-1+b2 i386 X.Org X server -- fbdev display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.21.15-2+b2 i386 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
Impressive , here you won, Yes! that can be done even on Debian with some whacks. Anyway, your effort is to be praisedHead_on_a_Stick wrote:OK, here we go: browser, terminal, task manager and "window manager" (tmux) running in under 15MiB:
Do I win?
Still haven't seen someone yet beating pidsley's 9MB
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