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Apollo Lake pc with emmc storage can't boot Debian

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Re: Apollo Lake pc with emmc storage can't boot Debian

#21 Post by debiman »

TOMillr wrote:The only Linux build I've been able to boot, is this Ubuntu iso, which has been specifically modified to run on Intel Atom and Apollo Lake devices:

http://linuxiumcomau.blogspot.com/2018/ ... pollo.html

Is there a way to replicate this process to also get Debian working?
maybe yes, maybe no. you'd need to try it.
maybe debian stable is too old for it already, maybe you'd need to go testing or do some kernel backporting.
but why not stick with ubuntu and save yourself the trouble?
although, fwiw, i'd try to go for the new 18.04 LTS.

i know the feeling, you get a device only to discover that linux support is hardly more than experimental for it, and the choice of available distros that don't require serious tinkering is, erm, usually just ubuntu...
here's some more search results for you.

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Re: Apollo Lake pc with emmc storage can't boot Debian

#22 Post by TOMillr »

debiman wrote: but why not stick with ubuntu and save yourself the trouble?
although, fwiw, i'd try to go for the new 18.04 LTS.
Ubuntu 18.04 LTS works on my system. However, also only buy using the respun iso from Linuxium which uses the rEFInd boot manager instead.

I'd prefer to run Debian because of OpenMediaVault or the extra small DietPi not being available on Ubuntu.

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Re: Apollo Lake pc with emmc storage can't boot Debian

#23 Post by pepemopap »

I have exactly the same issue in Apollo Lake laptop. Any advance?
I have tried to to install refind in a USB. It runs and detects debian live in the other USB but freezes when select it.
I have tried to modifi refind.conf file trying to launch debian kernel directrly from usb writing new menuentry, without success.

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Re: Apollo Lake pc with emmc storage can't boot Debian

#24 Post by debiman »

pepemopap wrote:Any advance?
i think you're ignorant of debian's release cycle.
ask again in a year or so.
meanwhile, use ubuntu or something even more rolling.

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Re: Apollo Lake pc with emmc storage can't boot Debian

#25 Post by pepemopap »

I found in BunsenLabs forum a possible solution: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch ... 03.html.en
The idea is install basic Debian from Ubuntu and install refind for boot.
debiman wrote:i think you're ignorant of debian's release cycle.
ask again in a year or so.
meanwhile, use ubuntu or something even more rolling.
The best thing about Linux is the possibility to fix and configure systems, no need to wait next release. And some people have fun doing it. May be you ignore that, Debiman.

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Re: Apollo Lake pc with emmc storage can't boot Debian

#26 Post by debiman »

The best thing about Linux is the possibility to fix and configure systems, no need to wait next release. And some people have fun doing it.
maybe so, but not debian stable.
there's plenty other distros you can do that with, we are not trying to take your toys away!
again, you clearly have not understood debian's release cycle.
don't spout, read.

i think you didn't even read all of this thread, just thought the title is close enough to some problem you're experiencing.

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#27 Post by pepemopap »

debiman wrote:
The best thing about Linux is the possibility to fix and configure systems, no need to wait next release. And some people have fun doing it.
maybe so, but not debian stable.
there's plenty other distros you can do that with, we are not trying to take your toys away!
again, you clearly have not understood debian's release cycle.
don't spout, read.

i think you didn't even read all of this thread, just thought the title is close enough to some problem you're experiencing.
Thanks you very much for your answer

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Re: Apollo Lake pc with emmc storage can't boot Debian

#28 Post by pepemopap »

Finally I have made it work. Despite the confusion of Debiman, my problem is the same than TOMillr: a new laptop with Apollo Lake processor (Teclast F7 with intel n3450) cant boot using Grub. When Grub start only appear black screen with no blinking cursor.

Refind loader is the solution. These steps are for run USB Debian installer using Refind instead preinstalled Grub:
  • Download Debian netinstall iso and dump it to usb: dd if=debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinstall.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M
  • Use fdisk for delete the existent small EFI partition in USB and create new 100MB EFI partition.
  • Format the new partition: mkfs.vfat /dev/sdX2
  • In the USB EFI partition create the directoroy: /EFI/install/
  • Mount or extract debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinstall.iso and copy the files /install.amd/gtk/vmlinuz and /install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz to /EFI/install/
  • Download refind bin zip file: http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/getting.html
  • Copy refind dir from the zip to /EFI/refind
  • Rename the file /EFI/refind/refind.conf-sample to refind.conf
  • Edit refind.conf and add:

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    menuentry Debian Install {
    	volume "Debian 9.4.0 amd64 n"
    	loader /EFI/install/vmlinuz
    	initrd /EFI/install/initrd.gz
    	options "root=/dev/sdb1 rw video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 boot=install.amd/gtk"
    }
    
  • Reboot and load refind loader. One option is enter in EFI shell, and exec the commands:

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    fs3:   (change 3 for the correspondent number of filesystem)
    cd EFI
    cd refind
    refind_x64.efi
    
  • In Refind menu select DEBIAN INSTALL option and install bunsen. No install GRUB and no change EFI partition.
  • Once installed copy refind dir to EFI partition in hard drive for boot. This recognics automatically Debian installation and others OS.

And now enjoying Debian in my new Laptop!

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Re: Apollo Lake pc with emmc storage can't boot Debian

#29 Post by TOMillr »

Any news of somekind of build in UEFI support to get Debian working in Apollo Lake devices? Ubuntu has finally added this with 18.04 but I‘d rather use Debian instead.

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#30 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

TOMillr wrote:Any news of somekind of build in UEFI support to get Debian working in Apollo Lake devices?
Try the alpha-5 installer for Debian buster:

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unof ... 64/iso-cd/

Be sure to report back with the results for the benefit of others.
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#31 Post by TOMillr »

Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Try the alpha-5 installer for Debian buster:
Thanks, I'm gonna give this a try next week when I've got some vacation time.

Is this alpha-5 the latest version or has there been an update this the time of your posting that I should use now instead?

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Re: Apollo Lake pc with emmc storage can't boot Debian

#32 Post by None1975 »

TOMillr wrote:Is this alpha-5 the latest version or has there been an update this the time of your posting that I should use now instead?
The latest version of Debian Buster installer is Buster RC 1. You can find it here.
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Re: Apollo Lake pc with emmc storage can't boot Debian

#33 Post by TOMillr »

Finally got around to test the Buster RC 1 on my Apollo Lake pc.

Instead of getting stuck with a blinking cursor right after trying to boot from a usb stick, I'm now able to get to the Debian GNU/Linux UEFI installer menu. :o

However, since my test-device is currently not connected through ethernet, I wasn't able to go any further with the netinst-image. The installer just keeps looking for a CD-ROM drive ("no common CD-ROM drive was detected") that my system doesn't have.

EDIT: Didn't connect the dots and somehow didn't thing about downloading one of the "full" CD or DVD images instead. Downloading one know and will keep you posted how it goes.

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#34 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

TOMillr wrote:The installer just keeps looking for a CD-ROM drive ("no common CD-ROM drive was detected") that my system doesn't have.
^ This indicates that you have transferred the image to the USB stick incorrectly.

See https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch ... -isohybrid & https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo ... bug=775689
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Re: Apollo Lake pc with emmc storage can't boot Debian

#35 Post by TOMillr »

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
TOMillr wrote:The installer just keeps looking for a CD-ROM drive ("no common CD-ROM drive was detected") that my system doesn't have.
^ This indicates that you have transferred the image to the USB stick incorrectly.
Strange, never had any issues before when using Etcher to make a bootable USB stick. Or is Debian somehow handling this differently as compared to Ubuntu?

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#36 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

TOMillr wrote:using Etcher to make a bootable USB stick
Why bother with a buggy GUI?

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# cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync
^ Is that really so difficult?
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#37 Post by TOMillr »

Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Why bother with a buggy GUI?

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# cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync
^ Is that really so difficult?
My main machine is running MacOS. Should this work terminal command work?

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sudo dd if=/debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/diskX bs=1m

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#38 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

TOMillr wrote:My main machine is running MacOS.
My condolences, that must be just awful.
TOMillr wrote:Should this work terminal command work?
Yes but be sure to run the sync command afterwards to flush the buffers.

The cp command should also work in that travesty of an operating system you have been tricked into using and it's quicker to type.
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Re: Apollo Lake pc with emmc storage can't boot Debian

#39 Post by TOMillr »

I can confirm that I know was finally able to properly install Buster RC1 on my Apollo Lake-machine with Emma storage. :D

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