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Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

#21 Post by Wheelerof4te »

So we see you are trending bad stuff against us. What if we were to...censor it? :twisted:
https://twitter.com/UpEnd_org/status/10 ... 1643275264

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Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

#22 Post by llewellen »

debiman wrote:
n_hologram wrote:Speaking of "corporations in my foss," what's up with Google and Gitlab?

https://about.gitlab.com/2018/04/05/gke ... tegration/
hmm.
so is this now becoming
gitlab vs. github == google vs. microsoft???
If this truly is the only practical choice in the short term, choose github/MS. MS is very big and very muscular but ultimately dull and plodding. Google is very big and very muscular but cunning, fast and malevolent (viz. Google and the World Brain https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2551516/).
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Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

#23 Post by n_hologram »

I would not call Sergey Brin big or muscular but I get your point.

Both corporations have histories of their own unique atrocities; MS would do the same, if only they'd the power. It seems that Google might dethrone the formidable Microsoft, a kind of fallen glory.
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Re: Microsoft might buy GitHub

#24 Post by debiman »

debiman wrote:
n_hologram wrote:Speaking of "corporations in my foss," what's up with Google and Gitlab?

https://about.gitlab.com/2018/04/05/gke ... tegration/
hmm.
so is this now becoming
gitlab vs. github == google vs. microsoft???
i phrased this as a question, not a fact.
if someone can contribute to answering both above questions, i'd like to hear more!
meanwhile, i am reading that gitlab.com is running on azure. eargh!

but, gitlab is also open source software and runs on other servers, too.

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#25 Post by Wheelerof4te »

The official reaction of The Linux Foundation:
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/mi ... -reaction/
Not surprising since:
Why the sudden change? This is not a sudden change. Microsoft has become a top contributor to Linux and Kubernetes, they develop and distribute Linux-based products, they open sourced .NET, and they are backers of The Linux Foundation
EDIT: Oh, and let this sink in, too:
http://techrights.org/2016/03/08/microsoft-eee-eclipse/
http://techrights.org/2016/03/10/charm- ... -distract/
Totally wasn't expected. No, not at all. /s

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#26 Post by llewellen »

EDIT: Oh, and let this sink in, too:
http://techrights.org/2016/03/08/microsoft-eee-eclipse/
http://techrights.org/2016/03/10/charm- ... -distract/
Totally wasn't expected. No, not at all. /s
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#27 Post by pawRoot »

None1975 wrote:So here are the basic laws of capitalism. Microsoft is expanding, hijacking the growing markets. Otherwise it can not be. By destroying small-scale production, capital leads to an increase in productivity of labour and to the creation of a monopoly position for the associations of big capitalists. Capitalism has triumphed all over the world, but this triumph is only the prelude to the triumph of labour over capital.
If you hate capitalism so much you can always move to Venezuela, i heard that communism is working fine for them.

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#28 Post by llewellen »

If you hate capitalism so much you can always move to Venezuela, i heard that communism is working fine for them.
Why move? Why not work to change or improve the politico-economic system where one lives?
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#29 Post by pawRoot »

llewellen wrote:
If you hate capitalism so much you can always move to Venezuela, i heard that communism is working fine for them.
Why move? Why not work to change or improve the politico-economic system where one lives?
Of course you can stay in your country and fight to have another Venezuela :lol:

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#30 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

pawRoot wrote:i heard that communism is working fine for them
The Communist Manifesto does state quite clearly that the proposed economic system cannot co-exist with Capitalism.

Also, you might want to ask the folks in Spain & Italy how Capitalism is working for them.

Capitalism failed back in 2008 and now only "works" for the very rich.

But anyway, enough of the politics... :twisted:
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#31 Post by llewellen »

Capitalism failed back in 2008 and now only "works" for the very rich.

But anyway, enough of the politics...
Capitalism has only ever worked from the very beginning of its misbegotten incarnation with state intervention and support. Consider, for example, where would capitalism be today if the concept of limited liability corporations had not been legislated into existence as a stop loss mechanism for capitalist investors.

But enough of politico-economic theory. What's the latest credible flavour of Linux to surface? :)
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#32 Post by pawRoot »

Name one country that wasn't destroyed by communism.
Communism is for people who failed at life and blame everything just not themselves, evil corporations blablabla.
Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Also, you might want to ask the folks in Spain & Italy how Capitalism is working for them.
How did it work for them ? i don't know anything about Italy or Spain failing because of capitalism.
Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Capitalism failed back in 2008 and now only "works" for the very rich.
You are free to go and create another Microsoft, then buy tons of other companies, just maybe you are just not smart enough, no offence.

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#33 Post by debiman »

[OT]
the word capitalism contains "Capital", and i'm indeed somewhat against that idea: that amassing huge amounts of capital is the way to go.
i always preferred the term "Market Economy", esp. as in "Social Market Economy". This is a system that is working (how well is up for judgement) in most countries in the world. i don't really want to change that.
i think it's most important to strike a balance between the "social" and the "market economy".
i'm glad i live in a country that does that fairly well, afaics.
i wouldn't want to live in a country whose goverment thinks that the "social" bit is just cruft and ballast from the past, and needs to be eradicated.
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#34 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

llewellen wrote:What's the latest credible flavour of Linux to surface? :)
I like Xebian, I have a soft spot for Debian stable based distributions and they have a lovely desktop :)

Oh, and Devuan have their ASCII release out, with an OpenRC boot option!
pawRoot wrote:You are free to go and create another Microsoft, then buy tons of other companies
I have no desire to sequester the wealth of the world away from it's inhabitants.
ohnonot wrote:This is a system that is working
Any system that allows over 5 million children a year to die of starvation while the richest few wallow in disgusting luxury is fundamentally broken, IMO.

And remember folks: the government is part of the problem, not part of the solution :mrgreen:
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#35 Post by Wheelerof4te »

[OT last time]

Capitalism is in it's economic sense same as Fascism. Only those with power can get wealthy, so you have the famous 1% at the top, 25-30% in the middle, while the rest struggle to survive and eat crumbs that fall from the others. The fact you never see this side of story is easily explained: media controled by the rich. Just go to your local news site, what are they writing about? Also, you get the decline of cultural values, the reality shows, sex promoted as a commodity, rise of all kinds of minority complexes into the public eyes, etc..

Social Democracy with the proper referendum system in place (such as the one in Switzerland) with the mix of high-taxes social economy taken from the Scandinavian countries is the way to go. Socialism as the phase towards Communism (which actually never took place anywhere, ever) takes too long and imporvishes people, so in the end they always rebel before ascending to the Communism phase.

Every extreme is bad, no matter how good the idea may seem. If you need any proof of Capitalism's failure, just take this recent aquisition as an example. Microsoft just brought gigantic market share just using virtual stock bonds that at the time valued 7,5 billion $. By the next few months, those could have valued maybe 5 billion. In Capitalism, who controls the prices, the value and the market share? If your answe is "the market", then you are dellusional.

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#36 Post by debiman »

i edited my last post to include the proper wikipedia links, just so you understand i'm not just throwing keywords around.

i should add that i assume democracy, also.
although Parliamentarism is somewhat less than democratic...
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
ohnonot wrote:This is a system that is working
Any system that allows over 5 million children a year to die of starvation while the richest few wallow in disgusting luxury is fundamentally broken, IMO.
misquoting again.
you sure need an outlet for being the ever-helpful and understanding guy over on bunsenlabs forums, don't you.

well i did say it's up for discussion...

connecting these two things assumes that a different system would make do with starvation.
pray, tell us more about that.

and just to clarify, i'm not a fan of starvation.

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#37 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

debiman wrote:you sure need an outlet for being the ever-helpful and understanding guy over on bunsenlabs forums, don't you
Yes, I am a strange individual, I get a kick out of helping people, isn't that weird? :shock:
debiman wrote:connecting these two things
My rather glib statement was intended to illustrate the inherent inequalities which are fundamental to the Capitalist system, I am in favour of a more equal distribution of wealth.

Any further questions please follow the instructions in my signature and navigate to /usr/share/doc/anarchism :mrgreen:
debiman wrote:it's up for discussion
Not in this thread, please stay on topic :P
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#38 Post by llewellen »

Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Oh, and Devuan have their ASCII release out, with an OpenRC boot option!
I'm going to open a new thread on this because, in my eager but naive newcomer state, I have some questions about Devuan and the various alternatives to systemd.
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#39 Post by Wheelerof4te »

llewellen wrote:I'm going to open a new thread on this because, in my eager but naive newcomer state, I have some questions about Devuan and the various alternatives to systemd.
No need for that, we already have such thread:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=134342

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#40 Post by llewellen »

Wheelerof4te wrote:
llewellen wrote:I'm going to open a new thread on this because, in my eager but naive newcomer state, I have some questions about Devuan and the various alternatives to systemd.
No need for that, we already have such thread:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=134342
I read that. My question is slightly different.
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