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Systemd Alternatives - Newcomer Questions

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Re: Systemd Alternatives - Newcomer Questions

#41 Post by steve_v »

So the gist of this thread so far is:
Don't want to run systemd: Find another distro.
Want to talk about the other inits in the repos anyway: Must be a troll.
Ask any other question regarding non-systemd init: Goto 1.

Openrc and runit are in the main repos and have official wiki pages, yet those wiki pages are so woefully incomplete and outdated that they are effectively useless. Any questions about actually using them here on the forums is met with derision and accusations of trolling.

Just wow. If this is what has become of Debian and the Debian community, I'm out of here.

Wheelerof4te wrote:^From my earlier post:
I gave you the thread about the alternatives in the general discussion subforum. If you already saw it, as you've said, then you know everything you need to know
And of course, I linked him your thread:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 06#p674903
His reaction?
I read that. My question is slightly different.
Go figure.
Asks for advice on running debian without systemd, gets links to list of non-debian distros, repeated ad-nauseam. Go figure.
None1975 wrote:I recommend you try Devuan ASCII.
I have that t-shirt already. Devuan ASCII is not Debian Stretch... Goto 1.
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Re: Systemd Alternatives - Newcomer Questions

#42 Post by debiman »

i do largely agree with steve_v, however:

op has a backlog of mildly-trollish contributions.
it is unclear whether that was their intention here or not, but there's no excuse for not reading & refering to the threads that already exist on the topic. op has been told numerous times to do their homework.
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Re: Systemd Alternatives - Newcomer Questions

#43 Post by sunrat »

So this has turned into YAST - Yet Another Systemd Thread. Yawn.
It's not a support thread. Could it please be moved to Offtopic or at least General Discussion? Or preferably /dev/null .
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Re: Systemd Alternatives - Newcomer Questions

#44 Post by pcalvert »

bw123 wrote: I do still use sysvinit on a jessie system occasionally, it works fine, but I do not think you can remove systemd completely.
I believe that is correct. Back in 2016 I created a "systemd-free" Debian Jessie live CD that uses SysVinit.

The systemd packages my Debian live CD contains are:
libpam-systemd
libsystemd0
systemd
systemd-shim

Although it may be possible to build a current Debian system (Jessie or later) without any systemd packages, it is not easy. Practically speaking, though, I think it's safe to say it's "impossible". I recommend using Devuan instead.

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#45 Post by HuangLao »

http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.p ... stallation
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.p ... stallation

you'll notice it required adding a repo, this is why its becoming easier to just use something else, however, it can be done.

YMMV, do full backups first, its generally safe but you could hose your system.....It's actually very safe, but disclaimers and all. :lol:

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#46 Post by bdtc1 »

sunrat wrote:So this has turned into YAST - Yet Another Systemd Thread.
The thread is clearly labelled, and easily avoided if one wishes to ignore it. Meanwhile, it does answer the original poster's question even if indirectly. And it does have updated information for today's situation, some of which has changed since prior threads.

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#47 Post by golinux »

Some folks just have to reinvent the wheel. It can be a learning experience for sure.
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