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Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
Hello,
I am looking for a powerful notebook to do a lot of data crunching using GPU (Tensor Flow, etc). Please advise on Debian requirements for such a notebook. And from your experience: any existing notebooks with GPU that for sure run Debian?
Thanks!
I am looking for a powerful notebook to do a lot of data crunching using GPU (Tensor Flow, etc). Please advise on Debian requirements for such a notebook. And from your experience: any existing notebooks with GPU that for sure run Debian?
Thanks!
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Re: Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
Would that involve CUDA & a non-free driver?dokondr wrote:data crunching using GPU
Debian stable works best with devices manufactured before the date of release but support can be added with backports.
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Re: Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
The GPU-enabled version of TensorFlow has the following requirements:Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Would that involve CUDA & a non-free driver?dokondr wrote:data crunching using GPU
Debian stable works best with devices manufactured before the date of release but support can be added with backports.
64-bit Linux
Python 2.7
CUDA 7.5 (CUDA 8.0 required for Pascal GPUs)
cuDNN v5.1 (cuDNN v6 if on TF v1.3)
What Debian notebook will support these?
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Re: Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
For CUDA you will need the proprietary NVIDIA drivers, details are in the Debian wiki.
I think you may find it easier with something like Arch because the drivers will be newer and the non-free integration is slightly better (unsurprisingly).
I think you may find it easier with something like Arch because the drivers will be newer and the non-free integration is slightly better (unsurprisingly).
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Re: Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
No, sorry, I have no interest in blobby hardware like NVIDIA GPUs (until they move over to RISC-V anyway[1][2]]) but other forums members may know better.
[1] https://riscv.org/wp-content/uploads/20 ... ermans.pdf
[2] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... Gen-Falcon
[1] https://riscv.org/wp-content/uploads/20 ... ermans.pdf
[2] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... Gen-Falcon
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Re: Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
Ok, forget about GPU... Any ideas on a modern powerful notebook as a replacement for desktop for data processing that is known to work well under Debian? Which means mostly no problems with X11, so lxde works, etc..Head_on_a_Stick wrote:No, sorry, I have no interest in blobby hardware like NVIDIA GPUs (until they move over to RISC-V anyway[1][2]]) but other forums members may know better.
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Re: Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
ubuntu has a hardware certification process, I might start there. I think several companies are working on it.
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Re: Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
I used https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/ when I ordered my last laptop, it could be specified to order and the Windows licence is optional.
Having said that I think that slightly older, reconditioned hardware would be best for Debian stable because you won't get optimal support for a Coffee Lake (or whatever) device until the next release.
Having said that I think that slightly older, reconditioned hardware would be best for Debian stable because you won't get optimal support for a Coffee Lake (or whatever) device until the next release.
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Re: Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
You will want one with a good cooling solution for the discrete GPU, too, to avoid thermal throttling, so checking out the in-depth reviews at notebookreview or notebookcheck sites, which include stress tests, should be helpful.
Thin and light laptops generally have worse cooling solutions, gaming ones the best, if you don't mind the usually garish styling. I have a MSI GP63 Coffee Lake laptop with a six-core/12 thread i7 8750H that I can get to compile at 3.6 GHz for long builds at about 85C by undervolting it with iuvolt--it works well with stretch-backports Mesa 17.3.9, the latest firmware 20180518 packages, and the 4.17.8 kernel in stretch-backports. I recently found out that MSI has a secret four-key combo one can hit in the BIOS to unlock much more advanced overclocking options, one of which allows the CPU to draw more power than the 45 watt TPI and consistently compile at the maximum 3.9 GHz, but it runs hotter and it's a bit scary to see it approach critical temperature. The machine has a "panic button" that runs the fans at 11, but that makes it pretty noisy. I've decided that 3.6 Ghz is darn good already. You can also get MSI and other laptops from boutique resellers that will take it apart and apply better thermal paste before sending it to you, or even cut extra cooling vents in the bottom, which have been reported to let them run cooler.
I don't know how the cooling solutions work for the Dell G3/G5/G7 series, which have good hardware specs, but have seen really good test reports for the Gigabyte Aero 15. If you're not going to use the CPU all out like I do, last year's Kaby Lake laptops should be better supported by stretch/stretch-backports and have the CPU generate less heat.
Here's the thread where I found out how to unlock the BIOS advanced settings. Lot of other advice for this particular laptop, too. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads ... 13/page-13
Thin and light laptops generally have worse cooling solutions, gaming ones the best, if you don't mind the usually garish styling. I have a MSI GP63 Coffee Lake laptop with a six-core/12 thread i7 8750H that I can get to compile at 3.6 GHz for long builds at about 85C by undervolting it with iuvolt--it works well with stretch-backports Mesa 17.3.9, the latest firmware 20180518 packages, and the 4.17.8 kernel in stretch-backports. I recently found out that MSI has a secret four-key combo one can hit in the BIOS to unlock much more advanced overclocking options, one of which allows the CPU to draw more power than the 45 watt TPI and consistently compile at the maximum 3.9 GHz, but it runs hotter and it's a bit scary to see it approach critical temperature. The machine has a "panic button" that runs the fans at 11, but that makes it pretty noisy. I've decided that 3.6 Ghz is darn good already. You can also get MSI and other laptops from boutique resellers that will take it apart and apply better thermal paste before sending it to you, or even cut extra cooling vents in the bottom, which have been reported to let them run cooler.
I don't know how the cooling solutions work for the Dell G3/G5/G7 series, which have good hardware specs, but have seen really good test reports for the Gigabyte Aero 15. If you're not going to use the CPU all out like I do, last year's Kaby Lake laptops should be better supported by stretch/stretch-backports and have the CPU generate less heat.
Here's the thread where I found out how to unlock the BIOS advanced settings. Lot of other advice for this particular laptop, too. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads ... 13/page-13
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Re: Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
stevepusser, thanks for the info!
At the moment I am thinking about Lenovo ThinkPad P51 https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/lapto ... inkpad-p51. Looks bulky and heavy, which I don't care about. Quite a lot of power and stays moderately cool, according to reviews. It is 2017 model, so I hope Debian X11 and lxte will run with no problems.
These days I am running Debian under Virtual Box on 6 year old MacBook Pro. Like MacBook a lot, but need much more speed for the tasks I do now...
That's why I am also thinking about 15 inch apple MacBook Pro 2018 with Intel Core i7 2,6 -4,3 Ghz, Radeon Pro 560X 4 Gb GDDR5, 16Gb DDR4 2400, SSD 512 Gb.
Crazy expensive, yet my work depends on high speed.
At the moment I am thinking about Lenovo ThinkPad P51 https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/lapto ... inkpad-p51. Looks bulky and heavy, which I don't care about. Quite a lot of power and stays moderately cool, according to reviews. It is 2017 model, so I hope Debian X11 and lxte will run with no problems.
These days I am running Debian under Virtual Box on 6 year old MacBook Pro. Like MacBook a lot, but need much more speed for the tasks I do now...
That's why I am also thinking about 15 inch apple MacBook Pro 2018 with Intel Core i7 2,6 -4,3 Ghz, Radeon Pro 560X 4 Gb GDDR5, 16Gb DDR4 2400, SSD 512 Gb.
Crazy expensive, yet my work depends on high speed.
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Re: Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
There was a big fuss about the 2018 i9 macbook being released with firmware that throttled it to the 2.X GHz level. Apple released fixed firmware, but I still believe it still suffers from thermal throttling because of the thin and light design...look at stress test results first--hopefully there's some tool to undervolt in OSX, like throttlestop for Windows or iuvolt for Linux.
Looks like the P51 doesn't suffer any throttling at all, but the multicore CineBench results of 792 is quite a bit lower than what the MSI GP63 users are getting in that thread: ~1250.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Th ... 212.0.html
There are test results for new 8-core AMD notebooks that beat Intel handily, but I don't think Debian fully supports those yet.
Looks like the P51 doesn't suffer any throttling at all, but the multicore CineBench results of 792 is quite a bit lower than what the MSI GP63 users are getting in that thread: ~1250.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Th ... 212.0.html
There are test results for new 8-core AMD notebooks that beat Intel handily, but I don't think Debian fully supports those yet.
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Re: Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
How about Acer Predator Helios 500?
https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/lapto ... helios-500
https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/lapto ... helios-500
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Re: Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
It's certainly has good specs, but I have no idea how well it'll support Linux. Sometimes it takes the kernel developers a while to add quirks for particular models.
When you're getting up to those price levels, what about looking at something like System 76's line of Linux power notebooks? https://system76.com/laptops/serval They're rebranded Clevos, but at least the hardware is going to be all Linux-compatible for sure.
When you're getting up to those price levels, what about looking at something like System 76's line of Linux power notebooks? https://system76.com/laptops/serval They're rebranded Clevos, but at least the hardware is going to be all Linux-compatible for sure.
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Re: Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
From where I am now (Moscow) it would be not so easy to get System 76 because of the delivery complications. So I am mostly looking for Dell, MSI, ThinkPad, Acer and Asus .....stevepusser wrote:It's certainly has good specs, but I have no idea how well it'll support Linux. Sometimes it takes the kernel developers a while to add quirks for particular models.
When you're getting up to those price levels, what about looking at something like System 76's line of Linux power notebooks? https://system76.com/laptops/serval They're rebranded Clevos, but at least the hardware is going to be all Linux-compatible for sure.
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Re: Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
I have an older Skylake-based Acer, and it certainly works very well in Debian and MX Linux, though any of the recent Intel chipsets required non-free firmware. But that's no guarantee that a newer Acer will work out of the box.
There's also a subreddit where you can put up your original question, or look at some of the others that ask the same, such as this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/ ... rkstation/
There's also a subreddit where you can put up your original question, or look at some of the others that ask the same, such as this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/ ... rkstation/
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Re: Debian requirements for a notebook with GPU ?
Thanks!
Today I have got for a good price Lenovo ThinkPad P51 i7-7820HQ 16Gb SSD 512Gb nV Quadro M2200M 4Gb 15.6 UHD IPS BT Cam 5940мАч Win10Pro.
So now, as a first test, I am trying to figure out how to run Debian from bootable usb, and see how it goes.
Today I have got for a good price Lenovo ThinkPad P51 i7-7820HQ 16Gb SSD 512Gb nV Quadro M2200M 4Gb 15.6 UHD IPS BT Cam 5940мАч Win10Pro.
So now, as a first test, I am trying to figure out how to run Debian from bootable usb, and see how it goes.