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Who is using old laptops, thanks to linux?
Re: Who is using old laptops, thanks to linux?
I purposely bought an older refurbished old road warrior laptop, a 2012 Dell Latitude E6430 with a few character scars to install a Linux system. This thing is metal and solid ! Under the hood: a dual core i5 with 16GB RAM and a 250 GB SSD drive. I installed Debian Buster (only, no dual boot Windows) with KDE plasma. It's sweet..and its fast !
Re: Who is using old laptops, thanks to linux?
you put that SSD in there?piperdan wrote:I purposely bought an older refurbished old road warrior laptop, a 2012 Dell Latitude E6430 with a few character scars to install a Linux system. This thing is metal and solid ! Under the hood: a dual core i5 with 16GB RAM and a 250 GB SSD drive.
i am currently hunting for a used laptop; may i enquire if yours plays HEVC video? here's a hi-res example and here's a mid-res example - they should not tax the CPU too much, i.e. the GPU should support decoding it.
Re: Who is using old laptops, thanks to linux?
First question: Nope. I bought it that way as a used / refurbished laptop online from BestBuy.you put that SSD in there?
i am currently hunting for a used laptop; may i enquire if yours plays HEVC video? here's a hi-res example and here's a mid-res example - they should not tax the CPU too much, i.e. the GPU should support decoding it.
Second Question: It plays both your video links.....no problem or hesitation.
Here's the specs:
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danny@Home:~$ inxi -F
System: Host: Home Kernel: 4.18.0-2-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.13.5 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid
Machine: Type: Laptop System: Dell product: Latitude E6430 v: 01 serial: <root required>
Mobo: Dell model: N/A serial: <root required> BIOS: Dell v: A12 date: 05/20/2013
Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 21.9 Wh condition: 21.9/60.0 Wh (37%)
CPU: Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5-3340M bits: 64 type: MT MCP L2 cache: 3072 KiB
Speed: 1619 MHz min/max: 1200/3400 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1439 2: 1502 3: 1490 4: 1500
Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GF108GLM [NVS 5200M] driver: nouveau v: kernel
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: NVC1 v: 4.3 Mesa 18.1.9
Audio: Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
Device-2: NVIDIA GF108 High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.18.0-2-amd64
Network: Device-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network driver: e1000e
IF: eno1 state: down mac: f0:1f:af:1b:c2:dd
Device-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] driver: iwlwifi
IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: 6c:88:14:7d:ae:fc
Drives: Local Storage: total: 232.89 GiB used: 13.68 GiB (5.9%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: SK Hynix model: HFS250G32TND-N1A2A size: 232.89 GiB
RAID: Hardware-1: Intel 82801 Mobile SATA Controller [RAID mode] driver: ahci
Partition: ID-1: / size: 212.53 GiB used: 13.68 GiB (6.4%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
ID-2: swap-1 size: 15.95 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 65.0 C mobo: 48.0 C sodimm: 41.0 C gpu: nouveau temp: 55 C
Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 2882
Info: Processes: 191 Uptime: 33m Memory: 15.62 GiB used: 1.29 GiB (8.3%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.27
danny@Home:~$
Re: Who is using old laptops, thanks to linux?
^ oh, it has dual graphics.
how's that working? do you need to tell it which gpu to use?
when you played the example videos, did you get the impression that the cpu is taking the brunt, or does it offload to one of the gpus?
how's that working? do you need to tell it which gpu to use?
when you played the example videos, did you get the impression that the cpu is taking the brunt, or does it offload to one of the gpus?
Re: Who is using old laptops, thanks to linux?
I apologize for my ignorance. I didn't even know I had dual graphics. I thought I just had one graphics device and two audio devices:debiman wrote:^ oh, it has dual graphics.
how's that working? do you need to tell it which gpu to use?
when you played the example videos, did you get the impression that the cpu is taking the brunt, or does it offload to one of the gpus?
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Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GF108GLM [NVS 5200M] driver: nouveau v: kernel
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: NVC1 v: 4.3 Mesa 18.1.9
Audio: Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
Device-2: NVIDIA GF108 High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.18.0-2-amd64
Ksysguard monitor showed that the cpu had a couple of spikes up to 70%, with the average 40-50% during the playing of the hi-res video.
I was also able to add a couple of gpu sensor trends, which remained unchanged through the playing of the video (at GPU Core: 0.98V, and 57 deg.C)
Hope that helps.
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Re: Who is using old laptops, thanks to linux?
Private + Shared = RAM used Program
44.0 KiB + 0.5 KiB = 44.5 KiB perpboot
64.0 KiB + 0.5 KiB = 64.5 KiB socklog
72.0 KiB + 1.5 KiB = 73.5 KiB crond
92.0 KiB + 0.5 KiB = 92.5 KiB perpd
124.0 KiB + 0.5 KiB = 124.5 KiB init
68.0 KiB + 114.5 KiB = 182.5 KiB rc.main
72.0 KiB + 114.5 KiB = 186.5 KiB startx
196.0 KiB + 0.5 KiB = 196.5 KiB acpid
152.0 KiB + 49.5 KiB = 201.5 KiB tinylog (9)
156.0 KiB + 314.5 KiB = 470.5 KiB xinit
284.0 KiB + 224.5 KiB = 508.5 KiB dbus-daemon
420.0 KiB + 92.5 KiB = 512.5 KiB dhcpcd
664.0 KiB + 232.5 KiB = 896.5 KiB mksh (3)
1.5 MiB + 162.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB wpa_supplicant
2.7 MiB + 918.5 KiB = 3.6 MiB dwm
3.5 MiB + 4.8 MiB = 8.4 MiB udevd (15)
7.9 MiB + 665.5 KiB = 8.5 MiB Xorg
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25.6 MiB
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Linux dragora 4.18.9-gnu #2 SMP Tue Sep 25 02:05:05 UTC 2018 i686 GNU/Linux
D3 alpha2 on my 11 year old Dell inspiron 6400.
Dragora-ice is nearly there as a more conventional choice for alpha3, albeit getting a wee bit heavier.
Now we just need to build some packages!
Qi the package builder can be used on other distros with a bit of work and without interference (allegedly) testers required if your feeling brave.
44.0 KiB + 0.5 KiB = 44.5 KiB perpboot
64.0 KiB + 0.5 KiB = 64.5 KiB socklog
72.0 KiB + 1.5 KiB = 73.5 KiB crond
92.0 KiB + 0.5 KiB = 92.5 KiB perpd
124.0 KiB + 0.5 KiB = 124.5 KiB init
68.0 KiB + 114.5 KiB = 182.5 KiB rc.main
72.0 KiB + 114.5 KiB = 186.5 KiB startx
196.0 KiB + 0.5 KiB = 196.5 KiB acpid
152.0 KiB + 49.5 KiB = 201.5 KiB tinylog (9)
156.0 KiB + 314.5 KiB = 470.5 KiB xinit
284.0 KiB + 224.5 KiB = 508.5 KiB dbus-daemon
420.0 KiB + 92.5 KiB = 512.5 KiB dhcpcd
664.0 KiB + 232.5 KiB = 896.5 KiB mksh (3)
1.5 MiB + 162.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB wpa_supplicant
2.7 MiB + 918.5 KiB = 3.6 MiB dwm
3.5 MiB + 4.8 MiB = 8.4 MiB udevd (15)
7.9 MiB + 665.5 KiB = 8.5 MiB Xorg
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25.6 MiB
=================================
Linux dragora 4.18.9-gnu #2 SMP Tue Sep 25 02:05:05 UTC 2018 i686 GNU/Linux
D3 alpha2 on my 11 year old Dell inspiron 6400.
Dragora-ice is nearly there as a more conventional choice for alpha3, albeit getting a wee bit heavier.
Now we just need to build some packages!
Qi the package builder can be used on other distros with a bit of work and without interference (allegedly) testers required if your feeling brave.
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Re: Who is using old laptops, thanks to linux?
on second inspection, your output doesn't say anything about hybrid graphics except that i'm pretty sure that these intel CPUs include a GPU; plus the nvidia, makes two.piperdan wrote: I didn't knowingly switch anything.
Ksysguard monitor showed that the cpu had a couple of spikes up to 70%, with the average 40-50% during the playing of the hi-res video.
I was also able to add a couple of gpu sensor trends, which remained unchanged through the playing of the video (at GPU Core: 0.98V, and 57 deg.C)
Hope that helps.
anyhow, i recently put my hands on a very similar machine, they're really nice. compact, beautiful, sturdy.
unfortunately the video test was abysmal (probably because the seller had put a new copy of win 10 on the machine) so i decided not to buy it. have settled on a new and super cheap jumper ezbook 3 pro now.
Re: Who is using old laptops, thanks to linux?
That sounds like a deal. However, how did you install Debian? Was there any hardships with installing to the emmc? That's under a kilo right? how's the performance?
Re: Who is using old laptops, thanks to linux?
^ are you asking me?
it hasn't arrived yet.
manjaro seems to be running fine on it (touchpad issue has also been fixed by now).
it hasn't arrived yet.
manjaro seems to be running fine on it (touchpad issue has also been fixed by now).
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Re: Who is using old laptops, thanks to linux?
I have an old Toshiba A1 that still has Winxp on it. I tried (like hell) to get Debian on it. But I found there are known, not fixable, problems with the beast. Wanted to get it to work on today's wifi, since Xp only has wep authentication. But just couldn't get it to work. SO it stays as an old WinXP games box (starcraft Diablo2 ) But I have a Thinkpad W700 that is my go-to testing box. I recently enlisted it in a Trinity Desktop test that worked. I also picked up an old highschool surplus Thinkpad X100e as an expendable toter. I had Debian buster with cinnamon on it (some idiot before TRIED to upgrade it to windows 10 ) Anyway. Debian ran OK on it but there is a known issue with the fan not working right. I was in the process of trying to fix it when I go my hands on a Windows 7 usb install and put it back in (as it was meant to be) The Z700 has dual hard drives and I'm tempted to move everything off drive 1 and setting it up as a Dualboot. I swapped them out for a spare to test the Trinity load-over.
Re: Who is using old laptops, thanks to linux?
I ended up selling that Vaio to a co-worker, and it still runs great with Debian Stable (she would not know what to do with Testing.) And that ThinkPad finally became my main system, with Testing.emariz wrote:May 11, 2018 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=672960#p672960
My work terminal is a 2011 Sony Vaio with a Sandy Bridge i3 processor. It however was not 'resurrected' but only maintained by Debian, for it has always been running Debian since day one.
I added some RAM, replaced the battery last year and moved from a hard drive to an SSD, but the operating system has always been Debian (starting with Squeeze, which was used for as long as I could, and then Testing.) It runs so well that I have been constantly delaying the purchase of a new laptop. Hell!, I got a 2017 ThinkPad earlier this year and I have yet to migrate. This Vaio with Debian is awesome; no need to change.
In the past couple of years, some co-workers have expressed their interest in buying my laptop because they were surprised how long it has worked flawlessly. They have no idea what Linux is, but they do love the idea of never requiring a service or facing a system halt, and so on.
Last month, my boss asked me if I could "save" an HP Stream from 2017-18, which was not particularly old, but who was by all means unusable with Windows 10.
With a 32 Gb soldered e-MMC everything took ages to load on that laptop, even though the system had no multimedia files at all. The OS alone occupied the great majority of the disk space, and the constant updates turned it into hell.
I tested the HP Stream with Parted Magic, everything seemed to work in GNU/Linux and no hardware component seemed obscure. Since I was given complete control over the laptop, I did not hesitate to wipe the disk right away, re-partition it and then load a Debian 10 installer. Everything, and I mean, everything worked flawlessly in Debian. And a complete Gnome system took only 3.5 Gb of disk space (plus 3 Gb of swap, so that it could hibernate.)
My boss could not believe how responsive the system was with Debian, and how easy it was to use an alien system. This laptop was used for Internet browsing and office tasks, thus no migration was necessary. And since my boss and his family also use Mac OS on other devices, they were not scared of using something other than Windows.
For that price, now I would actually recommend getting an HP Stream with Debian Stable was a secondary laptop, for it is super light and silent, has a bright screen and everything works as expected. Who would have believed my recommending such "garbage"?!
Re: Who is using old laptops, thanks to linux?
An 11yr old Dell 1545 Inspiron laptop. Thing still blazes running Debian Buster as it could with plenty of other gnu/Linux distros which are configured correctly for it. Thing actually still has the computing muscle to run whatever nix, De's etc. Pretty much have always had a strong preference for minimalistic gnu/Linux, regardless of system specs. Doing more with less is yet another area Linux clearly excels in and of course I <heart> Debian and Debian minimal netinstalls.
Rough specs: 4gbs memory, dualcore proc @ 2.17ghz. It's really cool to see people keeping these systems productive using open source that otherwise would've just been trashed. Everytime someone dumps a perfectly good pc into the landfill because it's no longer rated to keep up with modern bloatwares requirements, somewhere in the world a kitten bursts into flames and dies a fiery screeching death.
Rough specs: 4gbs memory, dualcore proc @ 2.17ghz. It's really cool to see people keeping these systems productive using open source that otherwise would've just been trashed. Everytime someone dumps a perfectly good pc into the landfill because it's no longer rated to keep up with modern bloatwares requirements, somewhere in the world a kitten bursts into flames and dies a fiery screeching death.
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Re: Who is using old laptops, thanks to linux?
I still have an old Toshiba Satellite 2250 in the bottom drawer. I don't really use it for much more than running a few old (OOOOOLD) dos games. Ah the good old days. But it has Win98. I don't think I ever tried Linux on it. If I did it would have been Debian, but nope. I also have a Tecra A1 with XP. I tried to get Debian on it to get it to network (try to get WAP wifi logon to work in XP ) But I could never get the video to work right. Eh no biggie.
Edit: OOPS looks like I reposted to an old thread I already picked on....my bad!
Edit: OOPS looks like I reposted to an old thread I already picked on....my bad!