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[SOLVED] go back to windows?

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Re: go back to windows?

#21 Post by None1975 »

I don't need Windows products. Why? Because Microsoft's Software is Malware!
Here is information for thought https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware ... ft.en.html
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#22 Post by Danielsan »

sickpig wrote:Windows is super user friendly and with zero learning curve, probably because every computer user of this or last generation was just born into it.
I would argue the exact contrary, I recently setup a new computer for my wife with W10 and I didn't remember how obscure and redundant are the Windows OSes, everything is a continue session of nested options there is nothing just at one click away like GNU or even macOS. For every stupid thing you have to open at least 3 dialogs, awful, a nightmare.

I am very happy to have decided ten years ago to make a complete switch to GNU/Linux!

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#23 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

^ It is actually possible to do most things in Win10 from the powershell command-line interface but it's not common knowledge and the syntax is bizarre if you're used to Unix-like operating systems.

I actually quite like powershell, it's rather efficient and *much* better than all those dialogue boxes, IMO.
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#24 Post by CwF »

Be real. The two system really don't compete. Sure they overlap, and for meany their 100% use case is within that overlap. When that is not the case, it's not the case.

I run software that cost more than my computer. It doesn't run on Linux. It NEVER will. It does run IN Linux, in a hardware assisted vm.

My first log on was sync-on-green. Not even ncurses 'graphics'. The ability to display massive data in a fluid and dynamic way is not possible without a modern gui. Sometimes complexity is simplicity. Most things I've moved from MS to Linux result in more clicks, not fewer. If MS has that option nested 3 dialogs deep, that's not over complex BS when the alternative is no option other than a long command line you could type wrong. I did 3d CAD on a command line, line by line of vector based instruction. In no way a fun or better way to do it. The command line can be better for seldom done things where a GUI might need a complicated layout, and why have such complexity for something rarely done. So system admin, maybe cli is better. Most programs don't fit that model of useage.

Bloat is all you people. You can trim down older windows, I don't need to bother with anything past XP. Of my 7 currently running vm's 2 are XP. One, running 3 programs is at 265MB, the hardware assisted one is idling with nothing much going on at 278MB. They start up around 138MB. But then again, what does it matter. RAM is CHEAP. My debians are not that small, and less functional in many ways.

Overall, People use Windows because they have to. People use Linux because they CAN.

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#25 Post by Danielsan »

I don't get your post.

Your personal experience still remain your personal experience.

Saying that W10 is super user friendly it is simply not true. MacOS is really super friendly everything is related with the system and the hardware it is into one, easy to understand, control panel, it is really dumb proof.

The XFCE control panel is clearly inspired to the macOS control panel, and it is very intuitive, unless you don't stumble in some hardware issue everything is pretty easy to setup, for example now I am dealing with an Nvidia Card and a second monitor, of course on GNU/Linux you have always problem with proprietary stuff...

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#26 Post by sickpig »

CwF wrote:I run software that cost more than my computer. It doesn't run on Linux. It NEVER will. It does run IN Linux, in a hardware assisted vm.
Am curious to understand why it wont EVER run on linux? is it a hardware limitation? if that is the case then your software wont run in any OS or will lag if it runs.

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#27 Post by sickpig »

Danielsan wrote:The XFCE control panel is clearly inspired to the macOS control panel, and it is very intuitive, unless you don't stumble in some hardware issue everything is pretty easy to setup, for example now I am dealing with an Nvidia Card and a second monitor, of course on GNU/Linux you have always problem with proprietary stuff...
you got that right. am a big fan of xfce myself. not the DE though. I use just the panel with openbox. so intuitive it is.

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#28 Post by CwF »

sickpig wrote:Am curious to understand why it wont EVER run on linux? is it a hardware limitation? if that is the case then your software wont run in any OS or will lag if it runs.
Period specific software and hardware connections that have no real market to reinvest in.
Many gadgets OBDII and prior, for flashing and programming ECM's, TCM's and other 'modules'. There are large categories of hardware/software combos that were originally vertical in their market. They have been saturated and left behind. Sometimes there isn't a next generation. Generally, it's lucky that usable software made it to the desktop to begin with, and that software is all there is that does what it does. It typically runs under emulations. The hardware it hooks to usually doesn't like emulation. Serial port equipment is usually ok, usb often needs a real hardware passed port. Qemu KVM with vfio hardware does fine, running XP.

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#29 Post by sickpig »

Thanks for sharing CwF

thats what even i see most vendors dont release linux specific software

take adobe pdf reader for instance, but its their loss, i just shifted to foxit. Which is better in many aspects.

also google drive, no easy usable official alternative. i know there are command line alternatives. but I prefer gui for daily tasks. so i shifted to dropbox

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#30 Post by arochester »

take adobe pdf reader for instance
You can install acroread in Debian.
also google drive, no easy usable official alternative.
What does "official alternative" mean? I just use Google Drive in Linux. Alternatives are https://alternativeto.net/software/goog ... form=linux
i see most vendors dont release linux specific software
Vendor=somebody who wants to sell you something. Most of Linux is free as in free beer...

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#31 Post by sickpig »

ok, I had started this post to check if I would ever have to go back to windows on my personal pc for want of a specific software or something like that

And it seems that I should be alright with Debian and don't see any express need to log back into windows

only challenge I can think of is possible incompatibility with digital certificates in usb drives. I have to sign some docs once a year using a digi sign which is on a usb stick. I dont think that cert provider has made linux drivers available. But I will see to that when the time comes. For now I am set.

thanks for your responses. appreciated.

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#32 Post by shep »

I did not see it mentioned but computing is undergoing a shift to cloud based services. Cloud based services are fine for those who interface with a smart phone. IMHO the cloud is needlessly expensive, slow and insecure for anyone with a Desktop/Workstation.

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#33 Post by DeadTOm76 »

There hasn't been a windows box in my house since 2009. My kids have used Linux on their PCs, and other than the occasional game that was incompatible, there have been no issues. They mostly game on consoles anyway. My wife has had Linux on two laptops, which she uses every day, and has had no problems. We have a PC set up in our living room as a media/entertainment PC, connected to our TV, and that has worked fantastically. I've been using Linux since 1997, and kept Windows on another partition strictly for gaming, until around 2008 or so. I no longer game like I used to, and the few games that I do still play either have Linux ports, or I play them on the PS4, so there hasn't been any reason to have Windows around for a long, long time.
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#34 Post by sickpig »

That's heartening to know. Thanks for sharing.

Operating system's main objective in my opinion should b to extract maximum from the hardware it's running on with a lowest possible footprint of its own

It should b an enabler and not otherwise

And deb does that beautifully for my computer.

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#35 Post by johna1954 »

Run Windows 7 in a VM for one program only 'Dreamweaver' and even that is rarely used. I run my printing business solely on Linux.

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Re: [SOLVED] go back to windows?

#36 Post by sickpig »

johna1954 wrote:Run Windows 7 in a VM for one program only 'Dreamweaver' and even that is rarely used. I run my printing business solely on Linux.
thats great
y not run dreamviewer in wine though?

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#37 Post by shabbythought »

I wiped my Microsoft Windows partition 12 years ago. The only time I missed Windows was when my bank removed a webbrowser plugin support for Linux (including Debian). However, that was solved a few minutes later by installing their app on my Google Android phone. Thank you Google. ;)
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Re: [SOLVED] go back to windows?

#38 Post by Wheelerof4te »

I don't need to go back to Windows. The reason for it is because reinstalling Windows is PITA. I can get Debian up and running, fully upgraded in less than a hour.
Windows 10? The procedure last time looked like this:
1. Wait for the installer to boot.
2. Pick your edition and keyboard layout.
3. Next, next
4. "Type your key" I don't need to type it, it's already in the BIOS, so I click that tiny "skip" link.
5. Next, next
6. Oh, a partitioner! It's easy enough to use, but you really get only NTFS, so it's brain-dead simple.
7. Wait for Windows to install the base OS, reboot.
8. Wait a bit more for everything to "get ready".
9. Go through a set of annoying screens, sign in to your MS account or create a basic user. I don't need the PIN, but somehow they force me to make one anyway.
10. Wait a bit more. Get reminded that "they're setting everything up for you".
11. Log in, wait a bit more for superfetch to die so I can actually use it.
12. Update the damn thing. Wait for it to download the drivers and the latest updates like a champ.
13. Wait a bit more.
14. Discover Windows Update didn't install three of my drivers. Get in the Driver Manager, search for details, go to the manufacturers page for my laptop, download correct drivers, install drivers.
15. Accidentally discover that I need yet another driver if I want to have proper fan management. Install HP coolsense.
16. Install HP coolsense again because the first installation failed.
17. Reboot the freaking laptop and pray it works.
18. Install a bucketload of applications because stock Windows apps are crap and useless. Remove bloatware like Candy Crush Saga and co.
19. Download Qbittorrent like a proud Linux user I am. Start a torrent.
20. Get mofo BSOD'd because my Wi-Fi driver somehow crapped out. Also happened to me randomly while watching Youtube videos.
21. Realize that I spent the last 3 and a half hours for nothing and reinstall Debian.

So, thats why I probably won't be going back to Windows.

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#39 Post by sickpig »

shabbythought wrote:The only time I missed Windows was when my bank removed a webbrowser plugin support for Linux (including Debian). However, that was solved a few minutes later by installing their app on my Google Android phone. Thank you Google. ;)
Thats a neat trick :)

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#40 Post by sickpig »

Wheelerof4te wrote:11. Log in, wait a bit more for superfetch to die so I can actually use it.
continuous hdd read/write and windows hogging it for its own operation is what made windows unusable for me. the only option was to either upgrade to ssd or try other OS

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