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which Debian do you use most often?
- Soul Singin'
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which Debian do you use most often?
Back in the day when RickH ran this board, a "Real Debian User" ran Debian Testing. I never agreed with Rick on anything. (I'm a "Fake Debian User"). But I am curious to know which distribution of Debian members of this board use most often these days.
Which distribution of Debian do you use on your primary machine?
Which distribution of Debian do you use on your primary machine?
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Re: which Debian do you use most often?
Sid on all my boxen except my nas runs stable. In well over a decade sid broke twice on me and caused short lived pain. All else was a small hiccup. Most issues were DE related, base system is almost always solid.
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Re: which Debian do you use most often?
I ran Lenny when it was in Testing and I remember a lot of pain. It seemed like every upgrade would break something. After that, I always ran Stable, but lately I have been enjoying Buster in its last Testing days.4D696B65 wrote:In well over a decade sid broke twice on me and caused short lived pain. All else was a small hiccup.
Re: which Debian do you use most often?
Remember Etch-And-A-Half? Perhaps we should still do this for newer hardware support. Buster-And-A-Half next year?
I noticed sid is more stable than testing, go figure.
I noticed sid is more stable than testing, go figure.
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Re: which Debian do you use most often?
OMG! I forgot about that one. Thanks for the memory. Had there been a Lenny-and-a-Half, I might still be using it. .4D696B65 wrote:Remember Etch-And-A-Half?
Because broken packages are fixed immediately. Testing has to wait wait wait wait for bug fixes.4D696B65 wrote:I noticed sid is more stable than testing, go figure.
Re: which Debian do you use most often?
I checked Testing/Buster because that's what I'm running now, but I run Stable most of the time.
Re: which Debian do you use most often?
Stretch because i hate updates, i reckon testing and sid must have boatloads of them. m happy with just security ones, once in a while. if there is a new version of any app which i absolutely must have then there is always the compile option
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Re: which Debian do you use most often?
I guess I am "Fake Debian User", but do run Debian 7 24 hours 7 days a week, also Debian 6 on a machine that never goes on line, runs some equipment and controls incubaters, .... On my "primary system", the PC I use most of the time, and keep current I run OpenBsd 6.5, and use it to host several Qemu VMs, Debian 7, Debian 8(I deleted it) , Debian 9 , Debian 9 /sid , and Debian 10, Buster, another Debian 10, buster, but it will stay with the testing repos, when Buster is released. Another will be for SID,... I was not sure which option to select on the poll and kind of think these polls are pointless, so I did not select any thing.
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Re: which Debian do you use most often?
Everything with a desktop runs either Sid or Testing. My own most-used desktop runs Sid. For several years now without any problems.
Everything without a desktop (servers) used to run Stable, but since about a year they all run Testing. Also without any problems.
So everything here is a rolling release.
Everything without a desktop (servers) used to run Stable, but since about a year they all run Testing. Also without any problems.
So everything here is a rolling release.
Re: which Debian do you use most often?
my desktop runs on debian 10 testing
I have two old laptops with debian 9.9 stable
And my eeepc runs on debian 8.11 stable. I tried to install debian 9 and 10 but then I get a black screen after starting up..
I have two old laptops with debian 9.9 stable
And my eeepc runs on debian 8.11 stable. I tried to install debian 9 and 10 but then I get a black screen after starting up..
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Re: which Debian do you use most often?
My dektops runs Debian Stable, codename "Stretch". Works like a champ! The third machine runs FreeBSD 12 with Xmonad on top of that.
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Re: which Debian do you use most often?
That caught my eye ; I remember reading the real Debian user topic and references to it. If I remember right, for example a "real Debian user" always uses vi & no sudo gedit ubunto nonsense!Soul Singin' wrote:Back in the day when RickH ran this board....
Anyway, to answer the question, I've always used current stable on all my desktop systems and—and it goes without saying but I'll say it—on my server. I used to run testing and sid in addition to stable for testing purposes but haven't done so for a long time now but I think—laziness permitting— I might try and do that again to follow developments.
As an afterthought, I still think my conjecture (see the footnote link in my signature below) seems legit.
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Re: which Debian do you use most often?
As a beginner, my tendency is to always go with the newest stable version of a distro. But when I started to experience issues due to old kernel or old packages incompatible with newer devices I'm using, I started to experiment with the testing versions. Then I learned Ubuntu (which the stable Linux Mint is based on) is based on the sid version. That is enough to give me assurance my machine will be fine using a testing version of Debian.
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Re: which Debian do you use most often?
+1kedaha wrote:I still think my conjecture [...] seems legit.
I voted for buster but I'm only testing it because the release is imminent and I will keep using it until it goes to LTS, I'm not switching to bullseye until then.
https://backports.debian.org/debian-2019 wrote:I started to experience issues due to old kernel or old packages incompatible with newer devices I'm using
And thank you for proving kedeha's point
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Re: which Debian do you use most often?
Was bouncing between Testing and Sid every few months since 2018. (yeah, reinstalls are a pain).
Decided on Sid because it is annoying to wait for Chromium updates on Stable and Testing.
Decided on Sid because it is annoying to wait for Chromium updates on Stable and Testing.
Re: which Debian do you use most often?
Stable only, server and desktop, and I always wait a month or two before dist upgrades. Not an old stick in the mud, I just hate problems. Nothing is more stable than Debian stable.
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Re: which Debian do you use most often?
It says there:Head_on_a_Stick wrote:...https://backports.debian.org/debian-2019 wrote:I started to experience issues due to old kernel or old packages incompatible with newer devices I'm using
And thank you for proving kedeha's point
"Backports cannot be tested as extensively as Debian stable, and backports are provided on an as-is basis, with risk of incompatibilities with other components in Debian stable. Use with care!"
It sounds to me like getting the same risk (more or less) as going all the way to sid. But thanks for that tip. I'm sure I will explore that option in the future.
Regarding kedeha's point, it is true in my case because there is a justifiable reason why I tried Debian in the first place. I did experience issues in Linux Mint due to problems which originated in Ubuntu. I'm trying to avoid Ubuntu problems by going straight to Debian. But the stable Debian has limitations which renders some of my devices unusable. Don't you think it is just practical to go with the more up-to-date testing version of Debian? As I pointed out, the stable version of Ubuntu is based on sid.
Re: which Debian do you use most often?
No.debian-2019 wrote:Don't you think it is just practical to go with the more up-to-date testing version of Debian?
"Based on" is not the same as "is." Other distributions apply their own rules which may or may not have any relation to Debian.As I pointed out, the stable version of Ubuntu is based on sid.
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Re: which Debian do you use most often?
Not really, the packages in sid haven't been tested at all — you are the guinea pig (thanks!)debian-2019 wrote:It says there:
"Backports cannot be tested as extensively as Debian stable, and backports are provided on an as-is basis, with risk of incompatibilities with other components in Debian stable. Use with care!"
It sounds to me like getting the same risk (more or less) as going all the way to sid.
No, testing can be less reliable than sid because the package migration is delayed by 10-14 days so if stuff is broken then it can stay broken for a few weeks whereas sid gets the fixes from upstream straight away.debian-2019 wrote:Don't you think it is just practical to go with the more up-to-date testing version of Debian?
The Security Team don't cover testing/unstable at all so this can make testing rather vulnerable, mine was open the the MDS vulnerability ("zombieload") for a while.
And the API changes can break configurations and force you to keep updating them, which is a pain.
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