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Re: Problem with Buster + Nvidia

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-07-07 09:04

Wheelerof4te wrote:I am surprised they released it without this support. I don't use NVIDIA, but I would be pretty angry if I had to use this package and it's not there in a Stable release.

The proprietary NVIDIA drivers are not part of the official release and cannot be included because they violate the DFSG.

Try the nouveau drivers instead. Or don't give any money to NVIDIA, they contribute *nothing* to the open source community.
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Re: Problem with Buster + Nvidia

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2019-07-07 09:11

^I have to agree, NVIDIA's support for Linux or even their support in general is obviously weak and outright toxic. You can thank their monopoly in gaming for that.
But not for long.
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Re: Problem with Buster + Nvidia

Postby Thomas123 » 2019-07-07 09:24

Thank you for your answers!

Yes, never will I ever(!) buy nVidia again! You can not imagine the trouble I have gone through in the last years because of nVidia. Horrible!

The nouveau drivers unfortunately don't work with my hardware.

"apt policy" only works from within a debian install, right? Unfortunately I have none running yet.

Now, if NVIDIA drivers are not part of the official release, how can I find out when and if the non-free package will be available?
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Re: Problem with Buster + Nvidia

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2019-07-07 09:27

^Check after the first point release. If it doesn't show up by then, just give up on it :D
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Re: Problem with Buster + Nvidia

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-07-07 09:32

Thomas123 wrote:Now, if NVIDIA drivers are not part of the official release, how can I find out when and if the non-free package will be available?

If the package isn't in buster now then it won't ever be included.

See also https://tracker.debian.org/news/974080/ ... m-testing/

The changelog has the reason:
Changelog wrote: * The 304.xx legacy driver series has been declared as End-of-Life by
NVIDIA. No further updates fixing security issues, critical bugs, or
adding support for new Xorg or Linux releases will be issued.
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers ... /a_id/3142

https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/ ... _changelog

I suppose you could try installing the version from stretch-backports, that might work. Or the version from sid if you know how to use pinning (not recommend though).
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Re: Problem with Buster + Nvidia

Postby Thomas123 » 2019-07-07 10:31

This is strange! ... Why is the package in sid then?

NVidia itself also still offers it for download as the current version.
But even if NVidia doesn't develop it any further, why would Debian-stable exclude the latest version of it?
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Re: Problem with Buster + Nvidia

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2019-07-07 10:38

Debian Stable is supported for 3 years by a security team. That package is non-free, meaning it can't be modified by Debian developers to tackle security problems.
So they removed it, since they can't support is for 3 years because NVIDIA dropped support. Sid is not as strict with security as Stable, but I can guess developers will also remove it from Sid soon.

Ask NVIDIA why they dropped support for those cards. Debian has nothing to do with that toxic company, and it's not obliged to package insecure software just because.
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Re: Problem with Buster + Nvidia

Postby Thomas123 » 2019-07-07 10:46

Ok, I understand! Thank you!

Just to be sure, that we are not all misled and the debian package-site is just not up to date yet ... could you please run the "apt policy"-command for me? ... I have no Debian running yet.
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Re: Problem with Buster + Nvidia

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2019-07-07 10:50

Sure, I'll be a good boy today, it's a special day afterall:
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nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Version table:


EDIT: H_on_a_S has Sid repo enabled, I don't. That's why she can install it, and I can't.
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Re: Problem with Buster + Nvidia

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-07-07 10:51

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E485:~$ apt policy nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 304.137-7
  Version table:
     304.137-7 100
        100 https://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian sid/non-free amd64 Packages
E485:~$
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Re: Problem with Buster + Nvidia

Postby Thomas123 » 2019-07-07 10:56

Thank you guys!

To anyone reading this thread: Never ever buy a nVidia card!
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Re: Problem with Buster + Nvidia

Postby piperdan » 2019-07-07 11:52

I don't know if it will help or not, but I always download and install the iso from the "Unofficial non-free images including firmware packages" site:
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

It always saves me a few bumps in the road when dealing with my wifi card, etc.

p.s.
I have an nvidia card

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danny@debian:~$ inxi -F
System:    Host: debian Kernel: 4.19.0-5-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Gnome 3.30.2 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
Machine:   Type: Laptop System: Dell product: Latitude E6430 v: 01 serial: <root required>
           Mobo: Dell model: N/A serial: <root required> BIOS: Dell v: A12 date: 05/20/2013
Battery:   ID-1: BAT0 charge: 56.8 Wh condition: 56.8/62.2 Wh (91%)
CPU:       Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5-3340M bits: 64 type: MT MCP L2 cache: 3072 KiB
           Speed: 1196 MHz min/max: 1200/3400 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1196 2: 1196 3: 1196 4: 1196
Graphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA GF108GLM [NVS 5200M] driver: nouveau v: kernel
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: nouveau resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
           OpenGL: renderer: NVC1 v: 4.3 Mesa 18.3.6
Audio:     Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
           Device-2: NVIDIA GF108 High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-5-amd64
Network:   Device-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network driver: e1000e
           IF: eno1 state: down mac: f0:1f:af:1b:c2:dd
           Device-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] driver: iwlwifi
           IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: 6c:88:14:7d:ae:fc
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 232.89 GiB used: 6.27 GiB (2.7%)
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: SK Hynix model: HFS250G32TND-N1A2A size: 232.89 GiB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 212.53 GiB used: 6.27 GiB (2.9%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 15.95 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 66.0 C mobo: 47.0 C sodimm: 42.0 C gpu: nouveau temp: 57 C
           Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0
Info:      Processes: 186 Uptime: 46m Memory: 15.62 GiB used: 1.34 GiB (8.6%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.32
danny@debian:~$
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Re: Problem with Buster + Nvidia

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2019-07-07 12:00

piperdan wrote:I don't know if it will help or not, but I always download and install the iso from the "Unofficial non-free images including firmware packages" site:

It won't, because NVIDIA's driver is not included in that iso. However, many firmware files are, so it is still recommended iso for most laptops.
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Re: Problem with Buster + Nvidia

Postby Thomas123 » 2019-07-07 12:13

Thank you guys anyway!

Last thing I can think of: I install a fresh Debian and then download the .run file directly from NVIDIA and execute it. Maybe this will work.
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Re: Problem with Buster + Nvidia

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-07-07 13:03

Thomas123 wrote:I install a fresh Debian and then download the .run file directly from NVIDIA and execute it. Maybe this will work.

You will have to do that again every time the kernel is updated though. The Debian NVIDIA packages should do this automatically.
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