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Perfering an old stable version of Debian.

Postby Tekmon_Xonic » 2019-07-26 23:52

You know, after spending a lot of time with Debian, I have found that I definitely prefer an old stable version of it. Now that Buster has been released, I think I'm going to stick with Debian Stretch for now. I would rather look into adopting buster once it becomes old stable. Why you may ask? Well, it's because if I wait for that. All of the bugs, quirks, and kinks will be ironed out, and then when the time comes for me to adopt it. It'll be super stable, and I won't have to worry about any unforeseen issues later down the road. I must say, along with that, that's taught me some things about life too. Sometimes nothing beats that old and reliable piece of equipment, or that faithful operating system, or that old game engine (Doom / ID Tech 1, ha ha) that has a ton of documentation on it so you can make content more easily for it.

What are your guys thoughts and experiences on this? I'd love to hear from all of you! :)
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Re: Perfering an old stable version of Debian.

Postby sunrat » 2019-07-27 01:22

My thoughts are that you can do whatever you want.
Stretch is still supported for a long time. Keep using it until it doesn't get security updates.
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Re: Perfering an old stable version of Debian.

Postby Tekmon_Xonic » 2019-07-27 01:46

@ sunrat

That's what I plan on doing with Stretch. Using it until it's no longer supported. 8)
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Re: Perfering an old stable version of Debian.

Postby theblueplll » 2019-07-27 05:26

sunrat wrote: Keep using it until it doesn't get security updates.



I agree with this.
Anything beyond that is just asking for trouble.
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Re: Perfering an old stable version of Debian.

Postby Tekmon_Xonic » 2019-07-27 05:31

@ theblueplll

Better safe than sorry right? :lol:
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Re: Perfering an old stable version of Debian.

Postby Funkygoby » 2019-07-27 09:36

That's an interesting take. A lot of people tend to consider Debian stable obsolete from the very release day.

I usually upgrade to the new version in the days/weeks after release.
Debian team tends to test the next stable before the release (instead of after like MS with W10) sufficiently that I consider the release trustworthy.
I never had any problem.
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Re: Perfering an old stable version of Debian.

Postby sickpig » 2019-07-27 10:51

Couldn't agree more, don't fix it; unless broken, right?
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Re: Perfering an old stable version of Debian.

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-07-27 10:56

Tekmon_Xonic wrote:All of the bugs, quirks, and kinks will be ironed out

Well there are two schools of thought on that: either follow the Debian paradigm and settle for a constant set of bugs, quirks and kinks that only need to be worked around once every few years or use something bleeding-edge like Arch which has all the latest bug fixes directly from upstream but then deal with the new bugs, quirks and kinks that are introduced by the continual updates.

I prefer the Debian Way but I always update to the latest stable version because I'm a sucker for new features. Secure Boot support rocks! :)
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Re: Perfering an old stable version of Debian.

Postby theblueplll » 2019-07-27 17:09

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Tekmon_Xonic wrote:All of the bugs, quirks, and kinks will be ironed out

Well there are two schools of thought on that: either follow the Debian paradigm and settle for a constant set of bugs, quirks and kinks that only need to be worked around once every few years or use something bleeding-edge like Arch which has all the latest bug fixes directly from upstream but then deal with the new bugs, quirks and kinks that are introduced by the continual updates.


I tried a rolling release distro once and ended up hating it because of this.

Every 2 days there was an update which was fine but then every 2 days one of my most used applications was broken and needed to be reinstalled and reconfigured all over again.

This only lasted about 2 weeks and I said f^%$ it this is Debian based anyway so why am I using a middleman and getting an inferior experience.

So I wiped the drive, reinstalled Debian Stretch(have since updated to Buster) and I haven't had to reinstall or fix that application since.
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Re: Perfering an old stable version of Debian.

Postby Tekmon_Xonic » 2019-07-27 17:17

@ Funkygoby

I can understand some people consider Debian stable obsolete the moment it's released, but those are probably the same people that love Sid. Some people just like to be bleeding edge. I'm the opposite, I prefer to lag behind with something old and reliable. :D

@ sickpig

Right on man! I'm really enjoying Debian 9. At the rate things are going, I'm going to have to buy me a cheap laptop on Ebay, so I can have a main Debian Machine. 8)

@ Head_on_a_Stick

I really don't have any hardware that I could use for Arch Linux. But despite Debian 9 having some quirks, they're pretty minor, and easy to work around. So I prefer the Debian way too. :lol:
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Re: Perfering an old stable version of Debian.

Postby duffy » 2019-07-27 19:26

I was going to wait for the first point release of Buster before installing/upgrading. I lasted a week before I couldn't stand it any longer, and decided to install Buster on my laptop. I have been very pleased with the things that the developers put in Buster. I have had only operator errors on the installation so far.

There is only one thing I would change with the installation of Buster on my laptop: I would have created separate partitions for root, home, var, and tmp. I did select to create a separate home partition. I used the entire disk for Buster. If I want to experiment with other operating systems, I'll use the virtualization tools I installed: gnome boxers, VirtualBox, Virtual Manager, and VM Player. All of my virtual machine images are stored in my /home partition.

I decided to do an upgrade from Debian 9.9 to Buster on my desktop. I'm glad I did. My home directory was left as it was. I did install LXDE because I'm use to it. My laptop is also running with LXDE. On my desktop, I left one large (300 GB) partition which could be resized to install other operating systems. I deleted old partitions and consolidated space to give me a large (more than 400GB) for my Buster partition, which includes my home directory.
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Re: Perfering an old stable version of Debian.

Postby Tekmon_Xonic » 2019-07-27 19:44

@ duffy

I'm glad to hear that Buster is working for you. :)

Speaking of Virtualization, I use it too on Windows. I actually have a copy of Debian 9 running just for managing files on my Linux based devices. The two being my BittBoy V3, and my Raspberry Pi. Windows 7 doesn't like multiple partitions for some reason. :x
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Re: Perfering an old stable version of Debian.

Postby theblueplll » 2019-07-28 23:59

Tekmon_Xonic wrote:Windows 7 doesn't like multiple partitions for some reason. :x



Really?
I never seemed to have any problem with that.

What happens for you that lead you to this?
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Re: Perfering an old stable version of Debian.

Postby RU55EL » 2019-07-29 02:53

So far, I'm really liking Buster. Just got done installing it on this computer, my everyday carry notebook computer. I've got four computers that run only Debian. I was finding the drive space too small on this one and got a terabyte SSD to replace the old 240 GB SSD. So, I decided to backup /home, perform a clean install of Buster on the new higher capacity drive, then restore /home. Worked smooth as silk. It helps that this notebook computer doesn't require non-free firmware. I usually just perform a clean install, leaving /home (which is in it's own partition) as is.

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russel@u55a:~$ vrms

No non-free or contrib packages installed on u55a!  rms would be proud.


Everything is looking good, but I'll be running Stretch on my other computers until I run Buster through it's paces on this computer for few weeks or so.
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Re: Perfering an old stable version of Debian.

Postby Tekmon_Xonic » 2019-07-29 19:41

@ theblueplll

Well basically when I have a hard drive or storage device that has multiple partitions on it, Windows 7 will only show one of the partitions. The rest are inaccessible. I've tried using the built in disc management utility, but it just throws an error when I try to activate the other partitions. Apparently this has been fixed in later versions of Windows...

But it's okay, I've got Debian 9 running on virtual box, and it's solved my issues using it. So it's all good. 8)

@ RU55EL

Well I'm glad to see that Buster is working out for you. Also, it's nice to see that you had a super smooth transition with your hard drives. :)
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