+1sunrat wrote:Maybe we should get back to the days of recommending other distros for beginners such as Mint and MX.
But not Mint.
+1sunrat wrote:Maybe we should get back to the days of recommending other distros for beginners such as Mint and MX.
An excellent observation. Often times solutions are easily avaliable from the GUI, but it's certainly easier to reply and direct a user to a CLI solution. Post code and done, as compared to posting images of the specific GUI in action. I use the CLI considerably more in Windows to solve problems than in Debian. It's been my experience that Windows help forums tend to steer users to the GUI, while Linux help forums tend to steer users to the CLI. It's a kind of odd reversal of efficiency that has left new users of either system with a mistaken sense of how things really are regarding the technical polish of the respective OSs. Debian is far more stable and polished for efficiency and simplicity internally than Windows and quite effective at operating correctly from the GUI, while Windows is horribly inefficient internally and profusely inefficient and redundant from the GUI with help applications that only add to the redundancy and inefficiency. My favorite stupid questions about Debian are those from users both experienced and inexperienced who fail to read the release notes. Anyway, Debian is doing well at increasing it's potential future user base because of systemd and wayland, quite contrary to opinions often expressed on its user forums. There's lots and lots of smart a**s around with emotional issues who enjoy writing about their own divergency from civilized behavior on help forums, and some may be PHDs, and some may have used Debian since its nascence, but really folks, nobody has to answer any question if they don't want to, and questioners don't need opinions, just answers. Finally, lest you take yourself too seriouly, businessmen don't use help forums. They hire IT people... and fire them if they don't get it right. That's the real world. Nothing here is that life or death serious. Stay pragmatic and live longer... maybe even enjoy an actual retirement.Sometimes it is harder to explain how to do something the easy way than to just let them continue to do it the hard way
Windows has a multitude of little helper utilities such as those from Diskinternals. I have rarely used CLI there, then I rarely use Windows. I've learned many CLI ways to do things over years. So much so that in MX Linux (which I love) I get so overwhelmed by the plethora of GUI utilities to help less experienced users, I end up using CLI anyway a lot of times.trinidad wrote:I use the CLI considerably more in Windows to solve problems than in Debian. It's been my experience that Windows help forums tend to steer users to the GUI, while Linux help forums tend to steer users to the CLI.
Amen to that, brother. Peripheral rants, and coffee-fuelled streams of consciousness, are counterproductive both from questioners and answerers.... nobody has to answer any question if they don't want to, and questioners don't need opinions, just answers.
Certainly entitled to an opinion, as am I, agree with some of that. Yes it's voluntary, at the end of the day but have my own motivations which won't bother explaining to anyone, as well as my views on things overall. It does not make someone an azz in my view to expect people to do basic common sense things to help themselves, to provide basic info to people attempting to volunteer help for them, w/o having to pull their finger nails out getting said retard to provide things a person with 4 brain cells would realize is prudent. Also am glad you know and checked in with all n every business person (there are business women too eh) and confirmed your views that none of them play any role in tech for themselves. Sure they all just hire techs to do it all. Gimme a break man.There's lots and lots of smart a**s around with emotional issues who enjoy writing about their own divergency from civilized behavior on help forums, and some may be PHDs, and some may have used Debian since its nascence, but really folks, nobody has to answer any question if they don't want to, and questioners don't need opinions, just answers. Finally, lest you take yourself too seriouly, businessmen don't use help forums.
Skinnerian Conditioning
Me neither, and I provide local instructionals on Linux Lite at the library for elderly users in my community whose dated Windows systems have become to problematic and insecure to continue safely using.I have no guilt about suggesting that newbies spend some time on an easier OS
Yep, enjoy... but I wonder why you left Ubu in the first place.,, updates? instability? ...wildly over-clocked release schedule?How many times do we see "if you can't fix this for me I'm going back to Ubuntu"? Door's open dude!
For record, think that is really cool dude.Me neither, and I provide local instructionals on Linux Lite at the library for elderly users in my community whose dated Windows systems have become to problematic and insecure to continue safely using.
Yes. My pet peeve is a variant of that theme. Someone joins the forum, announces that he/she is new to Debian, maybe even new to Linux, and complains that their system is broken. After a bit of back and forth we discover he/she is running Testing. We even get users complaining that their network using Testing is having problems. What is it about the word testing that new posters can't understand?sunrat wrote:It seems that it's a regular occurrence for someone to join the forum and proceed to make outlandish claims and statements, including giving dangerous advice to those just starting to find their way in Debian and Linux, and annoy the crap out of almost every regular contributor.
Or, they finally tell us it is "kali", or when they finally show their sources.list, it is a FrankenDebian, ....After a bit of back and forth we discover he/she is running Testing.