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how to install a minimal KDE ?
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how to install a minimal KDE ?
Hi, I'd like to install a minimal kde on a debian 10 installation, should I follow this "guide" on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/20 ... 00854.html (it's a bit old)? I'd like to get a similar configuration (without konqueror etc..) but installing other tools like okular,kdenlive,spectacle,ark and kwrite on it.
Will I get dependence problems that will force me to install konqueror and other kde applications? If yes, is there a safe way to force a more "modular" installation of kde apps I want?
Can you suggest me some resources and documentations about my problem? I don't want to install kde metapackages suggested by debian wiki because they contains a subset of programs I don't use.
Will I get dependence problems that will force me to install konqueror and other kde applications? If yes, is there a safe way to force a more "modular" installation of kde apps I want?
Can you suggest me some resources and documentations about my problem? I don't want to install kde metapackages suggested by debian wiki because they contains a subset of programs I don't use.
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Re: how to install a minimal KDE ?
You could try
and see what happens.
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apt install -s <list of kde programs you want>
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Re: how to install a minimal KDE ?
1] disable recommendsfaziopesce wrote:how to install a minimal KDE ?
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50norecommends
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APT::Install-Recommends "false";
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apt update
apt install plasma-desktop kwin-x11 sddm haveged konsole plasma-nm systemsettings dolphin kate
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Re: how to install a minimal KDE ?
Is this a good and sustainable change?L_V wrote:1] disable recommendsfaziopesce wrote:how to install a minimal KDE ?
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APT::Install-Recommends "false";
Could you link me all the wiki/documentations to understand what this change entails and how I will have to maintain the system with this "subset of a metapackage" in order to don't break debian?
Thanks
Re: how to install a minimal KDE ?
You can have a look here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=104157
You will not break anything with 'no recommends'. I always do minimal install with no-recommends.
When you make a minimal install, you are supposed to estimate what you need, what is really necessary for you.
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+ check dependencies if necessary
If you don't want to modify apt configuration, you can always add '--no-install-recommends' option at each "apt-get install'.
If you become lazy, you will configure apt globally.
You will not break anything with 'no recommends'. I always do minimal install with no-recommends.
When you make a minimal install, you are supposed to estimate what you need, what is really necessary for you.
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man apt-get
--no-install-recommends
Do not consider recommended packages as a dependency for installing. Configuration Item: APT::Install-Recommends.
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apt depends plasma-desktop
If you become lazy, you will configure apt globally.
Re: how to install a minimal KDE ?
I've tried that in the past. By disabling "recommends" you'll end up having to manually install most of the no-longer-recommended packages, simply in order to get KDE to function properly, and it can get complicated/messy. There used to be years ago a way to get a good kde minimal set up by setting an option during debian install. Sadly, that's no longer the case.L_V wrote: disable recommends
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APT::Install-Recommends "false";
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apt update apt install plasma-desktop kwin-x11 sddm haveged konsole plasma-nm systemsettings dolphin kate
I've had some success installing debian with no desktop, and then (using aptitude in my case, with "recommends" set as default) going into the kde metapackage dependency list and maually installing plasma-desktop plus xorg and any individual sub-packages of kde standard, such as gwenview, k3b, parts of kde-admin, and any other must-have packages to get as minimal a set-up as I wanted. That way, core packages such as konsole, dolphin, etc, get pulled in by the "recommends" setting anyway, but very little else that I don't want.
I can't remember the details, but you might give it a go, but you'll have to keep your eyes out to make sure that you get all that you do want - and that the not wanted kitchen sink that comes with kde doesn't end up being installed as well.
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Re: how to install a minimal KDE ?
I definitely don't recommend it to you, and certainly not in a place like KDE. Why? Because KDE applications will not function as they should. You will need to find out what packages are missing and install them. All this complicates matters. This method is suitable when you are using a really minimal system with a window manager on top on it. For example, I used this method when constructing my own system with Notion wm on top on it. Now i have system with 865 packages.faziopesce wrote:Is this a good and sustainable change?
If you want reduce Debian, you can check this link:
https://wiki.debian.org/ReduceDebian
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Re: how to install a minimal KDE ?
I never had any problem with 'no-recommends", and I always install like this to get a minimal KDE, which is the question.
There are 3 levels of package dependencies:
1 - depends
2 - recommends
3 - suggested
If you don't want to take time to analyse exactly what you need, just don't do it, and forget minimal install.
There are 3 levels of package dependencies:
1 - depends
2 - recommends
3 - suggested
If you don't want to take time to analyse exactly what you need, just don't do it, and forget minimal install.
Re: how to install a minimal KDE ?
I tell you what I always do, I go for a debian-kde based distro.. and then I drop non debian repositories.. In tyour case I very recommend you (Ive installed recentlly) :faziopesce wrote:Hi, I'd like to install a minimal kde on a debian 10 installation, should I follow this "guide" on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/20 ... 00854.html (it's a bit old)? I'd like to get a similar configuration (without konqueror etc..) but installing other tools like okular,kdenlive,spectacle,ark and kwrite on it.
Will I get dependence problems that will force me to install konqueror and other kde applications? If yes, is there a safe way to force a more "modular" installation of kde apps I want?
Can you suggest me some resources and documentations about my problem? I don't want to install kde metapackages suggested by debian wiki because they contains a subset of programs I don't use.
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Here is an overview of Core:
based on Debian Stable
ships a reduced selection of pre-installed apps, including Dolphin, Synaptic and Update Manager
comes with the ESR version of Firefox
NoVNC is pre-installed (simply open a browser and go to “live-pc:5900”, username:live/pwd:live to access Netrunner Core from your browser)
Plasma Services KCM: Easy to activate/deactivate Core Plasma Services, like Kwallet, Akonadi or Baloo
Simple Menu: A new menu that resembles ChromeOS for fast browsing the available applications
https://www.netrunner.com/netrunner-core/
>> Once installed drop non debian repositories (upgrade, and dist-upgrade to stable 10 or something like that), almost all packages (99%) belongs to debian so no big deal
Very good Distro , by the way
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Re: how to install a minimal KDE ?
You don't really need to quote this. I know that.L_V wrote:I never had any problem with 'no-recommends", and I always install like this to get a minimal KDE, which is the question.
There are 3 levels of package dependencies:
1 - depends
2 - recommends
3 - suggested
Recommended packages extend the capabilities of applications. Without them, KDe programs will not function properly. You can also read Debian bug reports. Maybe then you will realize what a mess can causeL_V wrote:If you don't want to take time to analyse exactly what you need, just don't do it, and forget minimal install.
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apt install --no-install recomends
I am sincerely happy for you. Really. However, judging from the question asked TS, the author's experience will not be as good as yours.L_V wrote:I never had any problem with 'no-recommends"
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Re: how to install a minimal KDE ?
A mess ???None1975 wrote:KDe programs will not function properly. You can also read Debian bug reports. Maybe then you will realize what a mess
I've always made for years netinstall with xorg and minimal KDE install with "no recommends".
Never seen any "bug".
I just progressively add what I need: this is my choice.
During development phase it can happen that dependencies are not 100% managed.
Real necessary dependencies are normally 100% fine on a stable release.
However, I remember I've spent some time with 'haveged' package which was necessary for me to start sddm.
And that's all.