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Postby roadnottaken » 2008-03-20 20:33

Part of the usefulness of the the command line is that it lets you get away from the mouse. Why would I want to reintroduce a mouse to that environment?

Besides, the command line uses emacs keybindings, which are a very efficient way to get around. There is even a keybinding to transpose two characters (or words).
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Just type 'mv * /dev/null'.
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Postby Telemachus » 2008-03-20 20:38

roadnottaken wrote:Besides, the command line uses emacs keybindings, which are a very efficient way to get around. There is even a keybinding to transpose two characters (or words).

Speak for yourself: my command line uses Vim keybindings. :)
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Postby Bro.Tiag » 2008-03-20 20:42

roadnottaken wrote:Part of the usefulness of the the command line is that it lets you get away from the mouse. Why would I want to reintroduce a mouse to that environment?

Besides, the command line uses emacs keybindings, which are a very efficient way to get around. There is even a keybinding to transpose two characters (or words).

I think I did a good job of explaining why I like gpm.
Bro.Tiag wrote:My self being dyslexias, gpm really comes in handy at the command line.

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Postby stream304 » 2008-03-21 08:51

qubodup wrote:PS: It really is a mind thing, using the CLI makes me feel closer to the config files and to the "truth" while using guis often means that information is hidden plus I can't see any connection.


That is the key to using a cli - your own mind is the gui. :)

For us ppc guys, our virtual terminals can look so bad, that sometimes a super minimal window manager and at least one xterm is the ticket. Which window manager to use? It's not fluxbox, it's TWM. (I love fluxbox personally, but for hardcore cli-emulating environment on ppc, just the very basics of xorg and twm are enough.)

One of my all time favorite books comes from 1994, and if you put on bell-bottoms or a pen-protector (your choice), and read it next to your cli-only system, you'll feel as if you were there:

A Quarter Century of Unix
Peter H. Salus
Addison-Wesley publishers
isbn 0-201-54777-5

You know, those guys and gals had it going on back then!
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Postby qubodup » 2008-03-21 14:16

I don't think I want a mous =) but thx!

I'll just list some valuable sources here: http://www.pixelbeat.org/cmdline.html http://www.linuxcommand.org/ http://www.physics.ubc.ca/mbelab/comput ... ntro/html/

We need a CLL distribution ^^
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Postby anthony » 2008-03-23 16:52

I have really learned a lot about the way debian works just by using xmonad as a window manager. It is a great environment for those who love cli and I have learned more about my system in the past 2 weeks than I have for the year I have been using debian. Also, a mouse Is completly optional.
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Postby Hevoos » 2008-03-23 19:05

anthony wrote:I have really learned a lot about the way debian works just by using xmonad as a window manager. It is a great environment for those who love cli and I have learned more about my system in the past 2 weeks than I have for the year I have been using debian. Also, a mouse Is completly optional.


What is the difference between xmonad and Ion3 or Ratpoison? I've been looking at tiling WMs so it would be great to know the differences between some of them. ;)
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Postby anthony » 2008-03-23 23:51

Out of my experience I would say that they are all quite similar but the reason I went with xmonad is because of the vast library of extentions it has and
because of the extensive amount of hacking/configuring that can be done. I have never tried ratpoison but the whole no mouse idea seems similar. The only thing about xmonad is that there is a lot that goes into it thus you have to install a lot of stuff (i.e. haskell) but its not a problem if you have a fair amount of space. All of the stuff you need is in sid BTW.
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Postby Bro.Tiag » 2008-03-24 01:26

Well I tryed, and was doing good, with just a cli install of Sid. I installed on Thursday, ran right through to Saturday till I ran insto deans e17 LiveCD.

Anyhow, once I finish playing with dean's e17 LiveCD I'll go back to it. I do have one question, for anyone who uses Mutt as their e-mail client. How can I get it to leave my messages on the server, yet not download every single one again when I check for new mail?

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Postby qubodup » 2008-03-24 15:13

Wow, I spent quite some time looking for window managers, never found out about xmonad or ion3. There's also stumpwm.

Bro.Tiag: I red a bit about mutt yesterday. Seems to be an exclusive club.
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Postby saltmiser » 2008-03-26 03:07

windowmaker always seemed lighweight and sweet. but this xmonad looks interesting; I should try that. right now I use gnome :P but I spend 90% of my time in a terminal..on each of my four desktops there's at least one terminal open (I grew up in slackware/freebsd/openbsd camp; then realized debian is more suited for my multimedia needs).
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Postby garrincha » 2008-03-26 15:46

Extremely light WMs:

EvilWM
Ion
Ratpoison
PWM
LarsWM

Marginally light WMs:
FVWM
Blackbox
Fluxbox
Windowmaker
IceWM
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Postby roadnottaken » 2008-03-27 04:09

garrincha wrote:Fuxbox

That's fluxbox! Get it right!
BOFH excuse #191:

Just type 'mv * /dev/null'.
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Postby garrincha » 2008-03-27 18:41

roadnottaken wrote:
garrincha wrote:Fuxbox

That's fluxbox! Get it right!


Arrg, already corrected it...no need to be nit-picking. Obviously a typo and a bit of ageing eyesight. :lol:
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Postby edbarx » 2008-03-28 07:50

Although I fully acknowledge that the console is a very powerful interface mainly due to its simplicity, I don't think I can survive only with it. I need a graphical interface to use a computer efficiently. The problem with consoles/terminals is that one must know the commands. A GUI gets rid of that restriction.

Once, I had an idea of making consoles/terminals accessible to any computer user....
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