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gnome-core now comes with epiphany & evolution

Postby secipolla » 2010-12-09 21:41

Just saying, it's not so corish anymore.
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Re: gnome-core now comes with epiphany & evolution

Postby 4D696B65 » 2010-12-09 22:06

meta-gnome2 (1:2.30+7) unstable; urgency=low

* Move a number of packages from gnome-desktop-environment to
gnome-core, which becomes the key package for tasksel. It will
allow the GNOME task to keep on fitting in a single CD.
* Make gnome-core architecture-dependent as a consequence.

-- Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org> Sun, 05 Dec 2010 19:36:38 +0100

http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/meta-gnome2/meta-gnome2_2.30+7/changelog
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Re: gnome-core now comes with epiphany & evolution

Postby kedaha » 2010-12-09 22:11

I did an aptitude install gdm gnome-core yesterday but didn't get either.
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Re: gnome-core now comes with epiphany & evolution

Postby 4D696B65 » 2010-12-09 22:15

kedaha wrote:I did an aptitude install gdm gnome-core yesterday but didn't get either.

You got it just before the change. It will effect you next time you upgrade.
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Re: gnome-core now comes with epiphany & evolution

Postby emoric » 2010-12-09 22:45

Yep, no longer gnome-core. I'm going to start calling it gnome-bloat.
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Re: gnome-core now comes with epiphany & evolution

Postby 4D696B65 » 2010-12-09 22:52

This is what I did in sid a few days ago before upgrading.
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apt-get remove gnome-core
aptitude keep-all
aptitude update
aptitude safe-upgrade


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Re: gnome-core now comes with epiphany & evolution

Postby emariz » 2010-12-10 06:00

What a stupid move! They should have created a new meta-package instead of ruining gnome-core. Why did they add gnome-disk-utility, Epiphany and gnome-screensaver, but left out Network Manager or gcalctool? When did Totem become a core application?

Anyway, for those interested, these are the dependencies of gnome-core 2.30+6 (the last version without "nice additions"):
eog
gedit
gnome-applets
gnome-control-center
gnome-icon-theme
gnome-menus
gnome-panel
gnome-power-manager
gnome-session
gnome-settings-daemon
gnome-terminal
gvfs
metacity
nautilus
yelp

I use Aptitude's graphic mode exclusively and I do not install recommendations automatically.
I reviewed all those packages and marked as manually installed those which were a dependency of gnome-core (if they were also a dependency or a recommendation of another package, I left them like that). Then, I purged the package gnome-core and reviewed the packages that it orphaned.
I also purged gnome-applets because I didn't use it (it was the "price" of using gnome-core).
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Re: gnome-core now comes with epiphany & evolution

Postby CountDuckula » 2010-12-10 08:17

A definition of epiphany - any moment of great or sudden revelation.

Doing this to gnome-core might be considered an evolution but certainly not an epiphany :)
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Re: gnome-core now comes with epiphany & evolution

Postby secipolla » 2010-12-10 10:05

Well, a few days ago I just let it upgrade and found out I had epiphany and evolution installed (and gnome-screensaver too).
Some packages I had already installed manually so I didn't notice any change. I guess one needs to get to grips with aptitude.
I'll check this aptitude graphic mode to start with (up to now I'd only used aptitude to downgrade packages).
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Re: gnome-core now comes with epiphany & evolution

Postby CountDuckula » 2010-12-10 10:29

Lets hope they don't decide to push gnome shell 3 as an update...
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Re: gnome-core now comes with epiphany & evolution

Postby 4D696B65 » 2010-12-10 10:33

emariz wrote:What a stupid move! They should have created a new meta-package instead of ruining gnome-core..

agreed
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Re: gnome-core now comes with epiphany & evolution

Postby canci » 2010-12-10 12:13

Well, I guess Gnome wants to give as full fletched a DE as possible. The times when Gnome just had an image viewer
and a file manager are sort of over. They learned from KDE's experience. I am foreseeing a tighter integration than
before, especially if Zeitgeist ever catches on in Gnome.

There are still ways though to have a much lighter Gnome, and even a somewhat lighter KDE for that matter.
And in Debian most of us build our systems individually, right?
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Re: gnome-core now comes with epiphany & evolution

Postby secipolla » 2010-12-10 14:22

CountDuckula wrote:Lets hope they don't decide to push gnome shell 3 as an update...

When it's ready, I think you could count on that.

Regarding the gnome-core move, IDK if a new package like the former gnome-core will be created but as it is now, gnome-desktop-environment is more of a gnome-extras as it doesn't add that much.

Totem is a pretty basic package for a desktop environment like gnome-core is now. It's not heavy, has no bells and whistles and serves as a multimedia player.
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Postby canci » 2010-12-10 14:35

gnome-shell will never be default in Debian, as it requires mutter, which requires working 3D drivers.
The fallback is always the classic Gnome 2.x desktop with Metacity and gnome-panel.
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Re: gnome-core now comes with epiphany & evolution

Postby emariz » 2010-12-10 16:13

emariz wrote:Anyway, for those interested, these are the dependencies of gnome-core 2.30+6 (the last version without "nice additions"):
eog
gedit
gnome-applets
gnome-control-center
gnome-icon-theme
gnome-menus
gnome-panel
gnome-power-manager
gnome-session
gnome-settings-daemon
gnome-terminal
gvfs
metacity
nautilus
yelp

I use Aptitude's graphic mode exclusively and I do not install recommendations automatically.

After checking the dependency chain of those packages with Aptitude, I can say that the following suffices to get the former gnome-core:
1. Install (+) eog, gedit, gnome-session, gnome-terminal and yelp.
2. Install gnome-applets, gnome-control-center and gnome-power-manager as recommendations (+M).

The other packages will be pulled as dependencies of them.
Of course, one can ignore the packages that she doesn't use, like gnome-applets in my case.
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