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So your analysis basically revolves entirely around characterising this: Debian has decided (via the technical committee) to change its default init system for the next release. The technical committee decided not to decide about the question of "coupling" i.e. whether other packages in De...

To me that says "Support for other init systems is recommended, but not mandatory" defeats all choices except "General resolution is not required". Whereas "Packages may not (in general) require a specific init system" is defeated by everything except "Further disc...

...You don't see it as a valid comparison because the Linux world has never yet been enveloped by such an all encompassing software suite . That's really the problem, systemd is no longer just init. If a user wants to stick more closely with Unix ideals, systemd is blasphemy... systemd is a lot of ...

Arrrgh! It burns mine eyes! :) You should probably reinstall, it'll be a lot easier. I'm no expert either, but if you want to try to recover it, basically back up your data, run apt-show-versions | grep -v stable | grep -v 'not installed' (you might need to exchange 'jessie' for 'stable', depends if...

Mor's posts may often be long, but they're well thought out, written and structured.

Yours are definitely short - and that's the best thing that can be said about them.

... Quick research indicates traditional init is based on ~75 files and ~15,000 lines of code vs systemd's >900 files and >125,000 lines. Traditional init has been around and debugged forever and rarely causes problems. systemd is still in active development and is now being used by Debian, once re...

Sorry, I do realise that, but I should have been clearer that that's not an option yet.

dasein wrote:...
Speaking of cluelessness: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 30#p572205

Doesn't this say that the 'anti-systemd' position placed 4th? 29 votes above further discussion?

https://www.debian.org/vote/2014/vote_003

I'd advise completely ignoring these conspiracy theorist trolls... Or ask them for evidence, that normally shuts them up. Any reason to believe that the tech committee did anything except vote for what they thought was in Debian's best interests? Apart from the fact that they know more about the sub...

I *suspect* they're being slightly tongue-in-cheek. If you do due diligence (spend a good few hours researching a problem before you ask), I guess you'll be fine. But I don't know that, so don't blame me if they bite you

Well, uninstall everything from Unstable and Experimental. Remove Unstable and Experimental from sources. Reinstall what you need. If you need something newer and it isn't in Backports (or Mepis community repository, or somewhere equally compatible with Stable), backport it http://forums.debian.net/...

The GUI package / update managers are never 100% reliable in my experience.

Try doing an update from the command line (apt or aptitude), and see if that clears it (or at least tells you what the problem is).

I'm not sure normal human beings are allowed to post at all any more...

I wonder if they miss it?

I generally prefer the smaller ones, and even then the mechanism seems imperfect (or at least inelegant). I think with infinite resources they'd make removing parts of them friendlier, and there arguably ought to be finer divisions between 'depends' and 'recommends'. But I don't see how that makes m...

... Could you please then modify your signature. Nobody should need to love metapackages. That's a big part of this lock-in issue. IMO Linux is supposed to be modular. Why should a Desktop Environment dictate which music player or network manager you want to install or remove? In a few years, unles...

So you made one in off topic?

Was starting to look a bit like the Kali forums anyway...

* Because dwm is customized through editing its source code, it’s pointless to make binary packages of it. This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid questions. There are some distributions that provide binary packages though. :lol: Welcome to the deep end... If you get stu...

Ha! Bad luck really - Debian has all the major DEs in it, apart from Unity. Some people consider GNOME 3 somewhat similar to Unity (it's debatable), so give that a go. Why is Debian good? It strictly adheres to its principles, including releasing when it's ready rather than on a deadline, not relyin...

You're much more likely to get useful answers if you provide more information.

What program are you using? What DE? What Debian version?

In any case, is there perhaps some option under the print-color-mode selector?

I don't use apper, but it might be worth checking the logs - as far as I know it uses apt or aptitude as a backend, so presumably it'll appear in /var/log/apt[itude].

Personally I'd just do an upgrade with apt or aptitude, and if that works and Apper stops complaining, forget about it.