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[solved] cant find installed kernel in packages.debian.org, might be causing weird behaviour

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Just reinstalled debian bullseye on a thinkpad laptop, in the install I selected linux-image-amd64, and kernel linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64 was installed. The first time I ran apt-get upgrade there was a new kernel available, linux-image-5.10.0-15-amd64, and since it was marked as a security update in the kde update daemon, I installed it. After installing it, apt-get didn't show the reminder that the old kernel can be removed.

I searched "linux-image-5.10.0-15-amd64" in packages.debian.org and nothing turned up, though it does show up in synaptic as a debian package. My wifi card needs a kernel >5.16, so I installed kernel 5.18 from backports at which point apt-get did warn me that kernel 5.13 can be removed but said nothing about kernel 5.15

I have no non-debian repositories in sources.list (pasted below), is kernel 5.15 part of official debian repositories and why doesn't it show up as "no longer required"?

Additionally, there's been some strange things happening, when I start the laptop, if I select the default entry in grub it loads kernel 5.18 as desired, but starting kde is very slow, wifi doesn't work at all, and the laptop won't restart properly. However if I select advanced options in grub and manually select kernel 5.18 it does work (it's slow), and laptop will restart normally.

Edit: the weird behavior other than slow wifi has stopped after running update-grub2

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~# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
  linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64
Use 'apt autoremove' to remove it.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
installed kernels

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~$ dpkg -s | grep linux-image-5
Package: linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64
Replaces: linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64-unsigned
Conflicts: linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64-unsigned
Package: linux-image-5.10.0-15-amd64
Replaces: linux-image-5.10.0-15-amd64-unsigned
Conflicts: linux-image-5.10.0-15-amd64-unsigned
Package: linux-image-5.18.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
Replaces: linux-image-5.18.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-unsigned
Conflicts: linux-image-5.18.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-unsigned
Depends: linux-image-5.18.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 (= 5.18.2-1~bpo11+1)
loaded kernel

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~$ uname -r
5.18.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
sources.list

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# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 11.3.0 _Bullseye_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20220326-11:23]/ bullseye contrib main

# manually hidden
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 11.3.0 _Bullseye_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20220326-11:23]/ bullseye contrib main

# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main contrib non-free

# manually added
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free
deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free

# bullseye-updates, to get updates before a point release is made;
# see https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_updates_and_backports
# A network mirror was not selected during install.  The following entries
# are provided as examples, but you should amend them as appropriate
# for your mirror of choice.
#
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free

# bullseye-backports, previously on backports.debian.org
# A network mirror was not selected during install.  The following entries
# are provided as examples, but you should amend them as appropriate
# for your mirror of choice.
#
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-backports main contrib non-free
deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-backports main contrib non-free
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Re: cant find installed kernel in packages.debian.org, might be causing weird behaviour

#2 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

The linux-image-amd64 metapackage currently lists linux-image-5.10.0-15-amd64 (which is not the same as "kernel 5.15") as a dependency but the old version had linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64 (which is not the same as "kernel 5.13"). The old linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64 package can now be (auto)removed because it is no longer a dependency.

Note that both dependencies are "kernel 5.10".
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Re: cant find installed kernel in packages.debian.org, might be causing weird behaviour

#3 Post by stevepusser »

About the 5.18 kernel 's slow screen performance: what's your graphics hardware?

As of yesterday, they had no working Nvidia drivers in backports for that kernel.
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Re: cant find installed kernel in packages.debian.org, might be causing weird behaviour

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Thanks for the help!
Head_on_a_Stick wrote: 2022-06-26 08:58 The linux-image-amd64 metapackage currently lists linux-image-5.10.0-15-amd64 (which is not the same as "kernel 5.15") as a dependency but the old version had linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64 (which is not the same as "kernel 5.13"). The old linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64 package can now be (auto)removed because it is no longer a dependency.

Note that both dependencies are "kernel 5.10".
My bad that 5.15 was a typo and should indeed be 5.10.0.15. I searched pakcages.debian.org (which I assume is updated more slowly) instead of using apt depends linux-image-amd64, where I could have seen the most up to date information. I (think I ) understand why 5.10.0.13-amd64 can be autoremoved after installing a newer kernel. However, after installing 5.10.0.15, apt-get didn't think 5.10.0.13 could be autoremoved, and after installing 5.18, only 5.10.0.13 is marked for removal but not 5.10.0.15. As far as I can remember, installing a new kernel always marked the older kernel for removal but for some reason 5.10.0.15 is ignored by apt.
stevepusser wrote: 2022-06-26 13:33 About the 5.18 kernel 's slow screen performance: what's your graphics hardware?

As of yesterday, they had no working Nvidia drivers in backports for that kernel.
I have an amd integrated gpu with the non-free package firmware-amd-graphics.
The slow starting for kde stopped after running update-grub2, not sure why, as grub was already booting into 5.18 by default anyway

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lspci -nn | grep VGA
04:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Lucienne [1002:164c] (rev c2)

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inxi -G
Graphics:  Device-1: AMD Lucienne driver: amdgpu v: kernel 
           Device-2: IMC Networks Integrated Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: loaded: amdgpu,ati 
           unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: AMD RENOIR (DRM 3.46.0 5.18.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 LLVM 11.0.1) 
           v: 4.6 Mesa 20.3.5
I do get some warnings about possible missing firmware but it's probably not related to my card viewtopic.php?p=723397#p723397

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update-initramfs -u
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-5.18.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_gpu_info.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/ip_discovery.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/polaris12_32_mc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vega10_cap.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/beige_goby_ta.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/beige_goby_sos.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/dimgrey_cavefish_ta.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/dimgrey_cavefish_sos.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vangogh_toc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vangogh_asd.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_ta.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_sos.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/sienna_cichlid_cap.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_ta.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_asd.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_sos.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navi12_cap.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/psp_13_0_8_ta.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/psp_13_0_8_toc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/psp_13_0_8_asd.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/psp_13_0_5_ta.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/psp_13_0_5_toc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/psp_13_0_5_asd.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/yellow_carp_ta.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/yellow_carp_toc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/yellow_carp_asd.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/aldebaran_cap.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/aldebaran_ta.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/aldebaran_sos.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/aldebaran_rlc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/aldebaran_mec2.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/aldebaran_mec.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_rlc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_mec.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/gc_10_3_7_rlc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/gc_10_3_7_mec2.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/gc_10_3_7_mec.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/gc_10_3_7_me.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/gc_10_3_7_pfp.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/gc_10_3_7_ce.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/gc_10_3_6_rlc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/gc_10_3_6_mec2.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/gc_10_3_6_mec.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/gc_10_3_6_me.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/gc_10_3_6_pfp.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/gc_10_3_6_ce.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/cyan_skillfish2_rlc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/cyan_skillfish2_mec2.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/cyan_skillfish2_mec.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/cyan_skillfish2_me.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/cyan_skillfish2_pfp.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/cyan_skillfish2_ce.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/yellow_carp_rlc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/yellow_carp_mec2.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/yellow_carp_mec.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/yellow_carp_me.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/yellow_carp_pfp.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/yellow_carp_ce.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/beige_goby_rlc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/beige_goby_mec2.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/beige_goby_mec.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/beige_goby_me.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/beige_goby_pfp.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/beige_goby_ce.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/dimgrey_cavefish_rlc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/dimgrey_cavefish_mec2.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/dimgrey_cavefish_mec.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/dimgrey_cavefish_me.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/dimgrey_cavefish_pfp.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/dimgrey_cavefish_ce.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vangogh_rlc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vangogh_mec2.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vangogh_mec.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vangogh_me.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vangogh_pfp.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vangogh_ce.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_rlc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_mec2.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_mec.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_me.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_pfp.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_ce.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/aldebaran_sdma.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_sdma.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/cyan_skillfish2_sdma1.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/cyan_skillfish2_sdma.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/sdma_5_2_7.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/sdma_5_2_6.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/yellow_carp_sdma.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vangogh_sdma.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/beige_goby_sdma.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/dimgrey_cavefish_sdma.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_sdma.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/sienna_cichlid_mes.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navi10_mes.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vcn_3_1_2.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/yellow_carp_vcn.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/beige_goby_vcn.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/dimgrey_cavefish_vcn.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vangogh_vcn.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_vcn.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/aldebaran_vcn.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_vcn.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/beige_goby_smc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/dimgrey_cavefish_smc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_smc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_smc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/aldebaran_smc.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/dcn_3_1_6_dmcub.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/dcn_3_1_5_dmcub.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/yellow_carp_dmcub.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/beige_goby_dmcub.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/dimgrey_cavefish_dmcub.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vangogh_dmcub.bin for module amdgpu
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/navy_flounder_dmcub.bin for module amdgpu

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Re: cant find installed kernel in packages.debian.org, might be causing weird behaviour

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redleaf wrote: 2022-06-26 17:03after installing 5.18, only 5.10.0.13 is marked for removal but not 5.10.0.15
That's because the .15 ABI version has been replaced by the 5.18 kernel from backports.
redleaf wrote: 2022-06-26 17:03I do get some warnings about possible missing firmware but it's probably not related to my card viewtopic.php?p=723397#p723397
The kernel will have support for hardware for which firmware is unavailable (yet), hence the messages. Your card should have loaded the correct firmware at some point, check dmesg(8) for details.
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Re: cant find installed kernel in packages.debian.org, might be causing weird behaviour

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Head_on_a_Stick wrote: 2022-06-26 17:08
redleaf wrote: 2022-06-26 17:03after installing 5.18, only 5.10.0.13 is marked for removal but not 5.10.0.15
That's because the .15 ABI version has been replaced by the 5.18 kernel from backports.
redleaf wrote: 2022-06-26 17:03I do get some warnings about possible missing firmware but it's probably not related to my card viewtopic.php?p=723397#p723397
The kernel will have support for hardware for which firmware is unavailable (yet), hence the messages. Your card should have loaded the correct firmware at some point, check dmesg(8) for details.
In that case, shouldn't the .13 version have been marked for removal after upgrading to the .15 version (before 5.18 was installed)? Is it "safe" to remove the .15 kernel with apt-get remove?
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#7 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

Sorry OP, I've just checked and I was wrong. The current version is https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/li ... 0-13-amd64

Can we see

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aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, linux-image)'
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apt search linux-image | grep installed
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Re: cant find installed kernel in packages.debian.org, might be causing weird behaviour

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using apt since aptitude is not installed

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apt search linux-image | grep installed

WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.

linux-image-5.10.0-13-amd64/stable,now 5.10.106-1 amd64 [installed,auto-removable]
linux-image-5.10.0-15-amd64/stable-security,now 5.10.120-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
linux-image-5.18.0-0.bpo.1-amd64/bullseye-backports,now 5.18.2-1~bpo11+1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
linux-image-amd64/bullseye-backports,now 5.18.2-1~bpo11+1 amd64 [installed]
don't think it's relevant, but just in case, I've been getting this message on startup since install (before upgrading to the .15 kernel)

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kvm: support for 'kvm_amd' disabled by bios

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#9 Post by sunrat »

You should always keep one kernel older than the current running one in case the current one stuffs up (usually would happen by user FUBAR).
I recall when using siduction apt autoremove was configured to always keep the next oldest kernel, couldn't work out if Debian stable is configured the same. I use a manually installed Liquorix kernel so couldn't confirm on my system either, but autoremove does not offer to remove the installed inactive Debian default kernel so maybe...
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sunrat wrote: 2022-06-26 23:49 couldn't work out if Debian stable is configured the same.
It is. I haven't done much housekeeping in a while so currently have 5.10.0-12, 5.10.0-13, 5.10.0-14 and 5.10.0-15 installed. I can auto-remove 5.10.0-12 and 5.10.0-13. But 5.10.0-14 is kept in reserve in case something goes wrong and listed in GRUB as an alternative.

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#11 Post by stevepusser »

Once in while, a kernel will require updated firmware for a device instead of just being able to fall back on an older version.

The first thing is to try the somewhat newer firmware-amd-graphics in bookworm (it's safe to install on any Debian version, and I suggest just downloading the deb and installing it with apt), but that's still from August 2021.

https://packages.debian.org/search?sear ... d-graphics

Anyway, first install inxi and run in a terminal

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inxi -Gxx
so we have some idea of what your graphics are doing on the 5.18 and any older kernels--see if there's any difference. Then install the newer firmware package to see if that makes any changes. But of course, if your hardware is significantly newer than the firmware package, you have to get newer firmware manually to see if that helps.
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