What's the problem with sudo apt-get update command ?

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Re: What's the problem with sudo apt-get update command ?

#31 Post by Telemachus »

Coco wrote:
Telemachus wrote:
Coco wrote:PS- I've gone the ubuntu root, installed sudo and disabled the root login as well. Its what I'm familiar with.
I think you mean the Debian route (about root - perhaps).
I'm pretty sure Debian doesn't disable root login by default (you can login as root by typing su). Ubuntu does so you can't login as root.
Yes, you see, you typed 'r-o-o-t' when you wanted 'r-o-u-t-e', so I was giving you a hard time. Carry on.
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Re: What's the problem with sudo apt-get update command ?

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julian67 wrote:Ubuntu's sudo doesn't let all and any users run commands with root privileges, it only allows the first created user to do this (or any user the first user adds to the admin group).
Yup, we established this on page one of the thread.
julian67 wrote:The reason jalu got no response to asking about enabling root account at ubuntuforums is that anyone who offered to help would get infracted, maybe even banned for doing so. In fact maybe people did offer help but were infracted/banned and the posts moved to the jail. ubuntuforums...It's such a nice place...the freedom OS with just a hint of authoritarian mania...or is it the other way around?
Yup, I posted a link to the official Ubuntu forum "threat to throw your post in jail if you talk about enabling root" page, also on page one of this thread.

This is what happens when you come late to the party, Julian.
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Re: What's the problem with sudo apt-get update command ?

#33 Post by julian67 »

Coco wrote:
julian67 wrote: Ubuntu had quite a lot of difficulties and put a lot of work into getting stuff working with sudo where the creator of the script/application had expected it to be used by root. Using Ubuntu style sudo in Debian you may run into odd failures because those same changes haven't been made. This is especially true of applications which are essentially scripts, and also 3rd party applications, especially proprietary ones which you may not be able to modify. My bet is that eventually using sudo Ubuntu style will just prove too annoying.
I disabled the root login using "passwd -l root" and rely solely on sudo. So do you recommend I re-enable root login? I haven't encountered any problems so far and I'm very comfortable and familiar with this setup.
If it works then fine. It will depend on what you do on your system whether it's a non-issue or ends up being an annoyance.
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#34 Post by gnudude »

Coco wrote: Don't you think you're exaggerating a little bit.
of course.... :shock:

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Re: What's the problem with sudo apt-get update command ?

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Telemachus wrote:Yes, you see, you typed 'r-o-o-t' when you wanted 'r-o-u-t-e', so I was giving you a hard time. Carry on.
Sorry, I've corrected it now.
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#36 Post by julian67 »

Telemachus wrote: Yup, we established this on page one of the thread.

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Yup, I posted a link to the official Ubuntu forum "threat to throw your post in jail if you talk about enabling root" page, also on page one of this thread.

This is what happens when you come late to the party, Julian.
The same erroneous assertions about Ubuntu's use of sudo were still being made. It wasn't clear so I clarified.

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Re: What's the problem with sudo apt-get update command ?

#37 Post by gnudude »

So is that the way ubuntu has always been configured....with the admin group ?

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Re: What's the problem with sudo apt-get update command ?

#38 Post by jalu »

gnudude wrote:So is that the way ubuntu has always been configured....with the admin group ?
No.

I went down the whole warty road (4.10), installed it and it is

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jalu All=(All) All
out of the box.
http://xs942.xs.to/xs942/09356/warty252.png

why did i do that? i was curious, tried to figure it out on the german ubuntu-forum and the german ubuntu-wiki. Usually they are very detailed, step-by step. But all you get on that subject is cloaked-secret examples how it *might* look. It might look like this, it might look like that. Heck, i wanna know how it does look?
If one wants to figure out when exactly it changed :lol: :
http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/


EDIT: if i didnt mess all upt: from what i could figure out (via install...) Hoary(5.04, the follow-up of Warty) allready makes use of %adim All=(All) All
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Re: What's the problem with sudo apt-get update command ?

#39 Post by Telemachus »

julian67 wrote:The same erroneous assertions about Ubuntu's use of sudo were still being made. It wasn't clear so I clarified.
Fair enough. (Though in fairness to me and Jalu, I think we were plenty clear earlier and erroneous assertions will always continue to be made. See your signature for suggestions about why...)
julian67 wrote:It's not a party. At parties people have fun, Telemachus.
It was a glib, throw-away line, but actually I still like the metaphor. A thread is like a party: how much fun it is (and how worth attending) depends on the hosts and the guests and their behavior. I don't think much of this party (as you say, no fun), but I think that the fault here does not belong to the guests.

@Jalu: Thanks for clarifying that we aren't crazy and that Ubuntu certainly used to simply enroll the first user by name into /etc/sudoers. I can't be bothered to install those various Rusty Releases, but if anyone does, I'll be curious to know when exactly the change happened.
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Re: What's the problem with sudo apt-get update command ?

#40 Post by gnudude »

thanks Jalu

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