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[solved] Debian not working out of the box for many simple tasks

#1 Post by santhoshpsk »

I have installed debian kde plasma operating system in my pc recently. I am facing many internet connectivity related problem in the out of the box debian installation.
1. Discover software installation can't search any software at all. for an example, If I search "vivaldi" to install vivaldi browser, it spins forever and this is not related to just "vivaldi" search.
2. Debian kde plasma installation is not supporting my wireless devices came with my mother board. I am not new to linux and I have multiple distros before landing on debian. I never faced this wireless driver missing problem in any of the linux distro installation I have tried. My motherboard is Gygabyte BS550M DS3H.
3. I am having nvidia gtx 1650 4GB graphics card and I don't think any driver installed for my graphics card.

Could anyone provide some help on this?

I can provide any specific information you need to resolve my problem. I am trying to stick with debian kde plasma for long time after switchign among many linux distro because I like debian for its forum support, and software maintenance.
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Re: Debian not working out of the box for many simple tasks

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santhoshpsk wrote: 2022-09-17 16:09Debian kde plasma installation is not supporting my wireless devices came with my mother board. I am not new to linux and I have multiple distros before landing on debian. I never faced this wireless driver missing problem in any of the linux distro installation I have tried.
Debian is unusual amongst GNU/Linux distributions in that it actually has principles. It is these principles, in combination with the intransigence of wireless device manufacturers, that cause the issue you describe.

Search the boards please, this has been covered at least 78 million times here. You obviously didn't read viewtopic.php?f=20&t=47078 before posting so read it now before posting again. Thanks.
santhoshpsk wrote: 2022-09-17 16:09I am having nvidia gtx 1650 4GB graphics card and I don't think any driver installed for my graphics card
Those pesky principles also apply to Linux-hating manufacturers such as NVIDIA. Apparently it should be possible to get your dirty hardware working in beautiful, clean Debian but I think you should throw that POS away and buy an AMD card instead. If for some reason you want to keep the card wait for another NVIDIA-using heathen to help you.

No idea about KDE though, I don't use that. Sorry.
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Re: Debian not working out of the box for many simple tasks

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If you actually are connected and are searching for Vivaldi, I get the same response, because Vivaldi isn't in the repository. Why it keeps spinning instead of telling the user that it isn't there, I have no idea.
How to install firmware: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=151785
Installing and configuring Debian Bullseye: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=150334

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Re: Debian not working out of the box for many simple tasks

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NVIDIA-using heathen here. :mrgreen: It's in the wiki - https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

Vivaldi is not in Debian repos. You'll have to search the webz for that one.

Wireless devices usually need firmware. It's also in the wiki - https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
Post your actual device info for more help:

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lspci -knn |grep -i -A3 net
I use Bullseye KDE Plasma myself and find it excellent. It does take a bit more research to set up than some other distros. Read up about DFSG (even that is mooted to become more user-friendly sometime soon).

As the Head man said, read the link he posted. We are volunteer users and expect you to do a little ground work before posting.
Hallvor wrote: 2022-09-17 22:27Why it keeps spinning instead of telling the user that it isn't there, I have no idea.
I would guess it's because they are not connected to the internet.
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Re: Debian not working out of the box for many simple tasks

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sunrat wrote: 2022-09-17 22:30 I would guess it's because they are not connected to the internet.
The same happens on my computer. Search for a package that isn't there, and Discover will spin forever.
How to install firmware: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=151785
Installing and configuring Debian Bullseye: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=150334

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Re: Debian not working out of the box for many simple tasks

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Hallvor wrote: 2022-09-17 22:48
sunrat wrote: 2022-09-17 22:30 I would guess it's because they are not connected to the internet.
The same happens on my computer. Search for a package that isn't there, and Discover will spin forever.
I generally just use apt on CLI for package management on my main desktop system. Discover sometimes on ThinkPad but I rarely install new packages there. Guess I guessed wrong. :lol:
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sunrat wrote: 2022-09-17 22:57 I generally just use apt on CLI for package management on my main desktop system.
Same.
How to install firmware: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=151785
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Re: Debian not working out of the box for many simple tasks

#8 Post by santhoshpsk »

sunrat wrote: 2022-09-17 22:30 NVIDIA-using heathen here. :mrgreen: It's in the wiki - https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

Vivaldi is not in Debian repos. You'll have to search the webz for that one.

Wireless devices usually need firmware. It's also in the wiki - https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
Post your actual device info for more help:

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lspci -knn |grep -i -A3 net
I use Bullseye KDE Plasma myself and find it excellent. It does take a bit more research to set up than some other distros. Read up about DFSG (even that is mooted to become more user-friendly sometime soon).

As the Head man said, read the link he posted. We are volunteer users and expect you to do a little ground work before posting.
Hallvor wrote: 2022-09-17 22:27Why it keeps spinning instead of telling the user that it isn't there, I have no idea.
I would guess it's because they are not connected to the internet.
My device info:

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07:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless-AC 9260 [8086:2526] (rev 29)
	DeviceName: RTL8111E Giga LAN
	Subsystem: Intel Corporation Wireless-AC 9260 [8086:0014]
	Kernel modules: iwlwifi, wl
08:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 16)
	Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Onboard Ethernet [1458:e000]
	Kernel driver in use: r8169
	Kernel modules: r8169
09:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation TU106 [GeForce GTX 1650] [10de:1f0a] (rev a1)
Installing nvidia drivers, vivaldi, discord client, slack, obsidian, etc apps were worked out of the box distro installation in almost all other linux distros. I expected the same from debian. I think there is nothing wrong with my expectation and also there is nothing wrong with debian behaviour of not having repos that provides the software I required.
Now, I did all ground works and installed all softwares I wanted including latest nvidia driver, and all other above apps I use on daily basis except that my pc is still missing wireless driver. I forgot to mention that I have a wired connection, but I provided it to my brother. I am using that wired connection now for me temporarily since wireless driver is missing in my debian installation. One more thing I want mention is I thought to recommend debian to my brother too and he is a beginner to linux. I think I can't do that now. that's okay, I will suggest him to use debian once he get some comfortability with lot more easily working linux distros.
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Re: Debian not working out of the box for many simple tasks

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$ apt-file search vivaldi
firejail-profiles: /etc/firejail/vivaldi-beta.profile
firejail-profiles: /etc/firejail/vivaldi-snapshot.profile
firejail-profiles: /etc/firejail/vivaldi-stable.profile
firejail-profiles: /etc/firejail/vivaldi.profile
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/16x16/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/16x16/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/16x16/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/16x16@2x/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/16x16@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/16x16@2x/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/22x22/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/22x22/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/22x22/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/22x22@2x/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/22x22@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/22x22@2x/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/24x24/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/24x24/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/24x24/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/24x24@2x/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/24x24@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/24x24@2x/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/256x256/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/256x256/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/256x256/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/256x256@2x/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/256x256@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/256x256@2x/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/32x32/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/32x32/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/32x32/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/32x32@2x/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/32x32@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/32x32@2x/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/48x48/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/48x48/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/48x48/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/48x48@2x/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/48x48@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/48x48@2x/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/64x64/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/64x64/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/64x64/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/64x64@2x/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/64x64@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/64x64@2x/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/96x96/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/96x96/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/96x96/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/96x96@2x/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/96x96@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
moka-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Moka/96x96@2x/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
numix-icon-theme-circle: /usr/share/icons/Numix-Circle/48/apps/vivaldi-beta.svg
numix-icon-theme-circle: /usr/share/icons/Numix-Circle/48/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.svg
numix-icon-theme-circle: /usr/share/icons/Numix-Circle/48/apps/vivaldi.svg
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/16/vivaldi-snapshot.png
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/16/vivaldi-stable.png
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/16/vivaldi.png
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/22/vivaldi-snapshot.png
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/22/vivaldi-stable.png
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/22/vivaldi.png
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/24/vivaldi-snapshot.png
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/24/vivaldi-stable.png
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/24/vivaldi.png
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/32/vivaldi-snapshot.png
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/32/vivaldi-stable.png
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/32/vivaldi.png
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/48/vivaldi-snapshot.png
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/48/vivaldi-stable.png
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/48/vivaldi.png
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/96/vivaldi-snapshot.svg
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/96/vivaldi-stable.svg
obsidian-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Obsidian/apps/96/vivaldi.svg
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/16x16/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/16x16/apps/vivaldi.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/16x16/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/16x16@2x/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/16x16@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/16x16@2x/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/24x24/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/24x24/apps/vivaldi.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/24x24/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/24x24@2x/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/24x24@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/24x24@2x/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/32x32/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/32x32/apps/vivaldi.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/32x32/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/32x32@2x/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/32x32@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/32x32@2x/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/48x48/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/48x48/apps/vivaldi.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/48x48/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/48x48@2x/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/48x48@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/48x48@2x/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/512x512/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/512x512/apps/vivaldi.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/512x512/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/512x512@2x/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/512x512@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
paper-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Paper/512x512@2x/apps/vivaldi_browser.png
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus-Light/16x16/panel/vivaldi-tray.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus-Light/22x22/panel/vivaldi-tray.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus-Light/24x24/panel/vivaldi-tray.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/16x16/apps/vivaldi-beta.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/16x16/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/16x16/apps/vivaldi-stable.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/16x16/apps/vivaldi.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/16x16/panel/vivaldi-tray.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/22x22/apps/vivaldi-beta.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/22x22/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/22x22/apps/vivaldi-stable.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/22x22/apps/vivaldi.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/22x22/panel/vivaldi-tray.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/24x24/apps/vivaldi-beta.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/24x24/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/24x24/apps/vivaldi-stable.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/24x24/apps/vivaldi.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/24x24/panel/vivaldi-tray.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/32x32/apps/vivaldi-beta.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/32x32/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/32x32/apps/vivaldi-stable.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/32x32/apps/vivaldi.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/48x48/apps/vivaldi-beta.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/48x48/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/48x48/apps/vivaldi-stable.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/48x48/apps/vivaldi.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/64x64/apps/vivaldi-beta.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/64x64/apps/vivaldi-snapshot.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/64x64/apps/vivaldi-stable.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/Papirus/64x64/apps/vivaldi.svg
papirus-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/ePapirus/24x24/panel/vivaldi-tray.svg
profile-sync-daemon: /usr/share/psd/browsers/vivaldi
profile-sync-daemon: /usr/share/psd/browsers/vivaldi-snapshot
ruby-useragent: /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/user_agent/browsers/vivaldi.rb
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/128x128/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/128x128@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/16x16/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/16x16@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/24x24/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/24x24@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/256x256/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/256x256@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/32x32/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/32x32@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/48x48/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/48x48@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/64x64/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/64x64@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/96x96/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/96x96@2x/apps/vivaldi.png
ukui-themes: /usr/share/icons/ukui/scalable/apps/vivaldi.svg
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viewtopic.php?f=16&t=151785

Edit: Are you trying to run stable on a brand new computer?
How to install firmware: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=151785
Installing and configuring Debian Bullseye: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=150334

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#11 Post by sunrat »

Motherboard supports 3rd Gen Ryzen so that should be ok with Debian Bullseye.
Presumably you activated the non-free section of the repos to install the nvidia driver. Now you probably just need to install firmware-iwlwifi for the wifi. Also install amd-microcode and everything should work.

As for your concerns about everything not working out of the box, read up about DFSG. Non-free software is not included by default, but an "unofficial" installer which includes non-free installer is available although harder to find. It is mentioned in the very helpful link Hallvor posted.

You will be happy to know there is a vote happening (today?) on a resolution to make installers with non-free firmware more readily available and possibly even default. It will please us regular posters here also as issues with people not knowing about the non-free principles and not knowing how to fix firmware issues take up a lot of time and posts on this forum. :wink:
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#12 Post by santhoshpsk »

I installed firmware-iwlwifi and amd64-microcode packages and my wifi adapter started working after a restart. Thanks Sunrat for suggesting it. I will take a look at DFSG once too. Thanks for mentioning it too. :)

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Re: Debian not working out of the box for many simple tasks

#13 Post by santhoshpsk »

Thanks guys for helping me out. This topic can be considered resolved, I started realizing how debian works and started liking it too. I don't see any resolve button here to mark this topic resolved. Anyway Thanks!

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Re: Debian not working out of the box for many simple tasks

#14 Post by Hallvor »

santhoshpsk wrote: 2022-09-18 12:21 Thanks guys for helping me out. This topic can be considered resolved, I started realizing how debian works and started liking it too. I don't see any resolve button here to mark this topic resolved. Anyway Thanks!
Just edit the title in your first post and add [solved]
How to install firmware: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=151785
Installing and configuring Debian Bullseye: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=150334

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