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Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

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Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

Yes. Debian only please.
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50-50. Please censor complaints about Ubuntu.
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No. Censorship in any form is unacceptable.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#81 Post by Issyer »

Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?
I think, it should NOT. Because it is not nice. Debian users should be friendly and knowledgeable and willing to help other people not only with the Debian stuff but with other OSs as well and in general with the life wisdom, and not scare away newbies like a team of stray dogs. Because such a kind attitude will attract more people who will be grateful to the Debian community. More gratefulness means more donations. More donations means more development. More development means a better quality. A better quality means more happiness to the Debian users. One smart guy, whose name was Napoleon Hill, used to say in his book "Think and Grow Rich:
The watchword of the future will be HUMAN HAPPINESS AND CONTENTMENT, and when this state of mind shall have been attained, the production will take care of itself...
So, adorable Debian community, don't even dare to frighten Ubuntu users unless you want to kill this way your future, yourself and your favorite OS, which is Debian, I guess.

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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#82 Post by craigevil »

Simple Ubuntu help is this way >>
Ubuntu Forums - http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php
Official Ubuntu Documentation - https://help.ubuntu.com/

Mint help is this way >>>
Main Page - Linux Mint - http://www.linuxmint.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Linux Mint Forums • Index page - http://forums.linuxmint.com/

If they need any more help than that there is always Google Search - http://www.google.com

I wish I could find the Ubuntu forum page where it stated they did not support any other distro, saw it the other day bounding around the net but didn't think to save it.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#83 Post by smallchange »

Issyer wrote: I think, it should NOT. Because it is not nice. Debian users should be friendly and knowledgeable and willing to help other people not only with the Debian stuff but with other OSs as well and in general with the life wisdom, and not scare away newbies like a team of stray dogs. Because such a kind attitude will attract more people who will be grateful to the Debian community. More gratefulness means more donations. More donations means more development. More development means a better quality.
What a crock. It assumes that all the crap that people spread about Debian users being elitists is true when it is not true. People who are scared of Debian users will contribute nothing to Debian. More development only means better quality if the developers know what quality is and how to produce it. Making Debian fit some idiots idea of user friendly will not improve the quality of Debian. Trying to satisfy every stupid complaint will only waste time. Debian is a good, solid, dependable quality system because Debian developers have developed quality working software and have not spent their time trying to appease every idiot in the world.

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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#84 Post by AMLJ »

I think nothing should be censored
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They should go to Offtopic section as they are not related to Debian. It'd be great if admins move these kinds of topics there.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#85 Post by bushpilot »

I go into Linux Mint, and Ubuntu forums and find that there is a great deal of pertinent solutions that can be applied to Debian. Openness works well for me. As an example, I the Linux Mint Debian forum I finally learned how to get both printer and wireless working in Debian 6.

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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#86 Post by traveler »

The last place on Earth I would ever want "help" with Debian is on the Ubuntu or Mint forums.*
* Sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings.
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#87 Post by bugsbunny »

traveler wrote:The last place on Earth I would ever want "help" with Debian is on the Ubuntu or Mint forums.*
* Sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings.
That's a bit shortsighted. There's a lot of fluff and noise over in the 'buntu forums. However there are some very knowledgeable people there as well and it is possible to find a nugget every now and then. Plus a lot of the technical articles/howtos are well written and applicable to Debian as well (sometimes with slight modification).

The biggest problem over there is cutting through the signal to noise ratio.

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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#88 Post by traveler »

The point of my post is this. Why would a Debian user go to Ubuntu or Mint's forums to ask their questions? Is it such a leap that Ubuntu and Mint users would ever think likewise and go ask questions of others who actually use their distro?
I have no doubt that extremely competent users can be found on any forum and never called that into question.

Better said, if I want a steak I go to the butcher's counter. I don't go ask the dude in produce.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#89 Post by bugsbunny »

Going there and asking for help about Debian - no I wouldn't recommend that :) Searching the forums there for possible existing answers is what I was referring to.

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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#90 Post by knarf »

No, there should not be any censorship. Much of what is applicable to Debian also works for Ubuntu so Ubuntu-users should be allowed to come here and mention their use of this distribution. If they ask really Ubuntu-specific questions ('Ubuntu-one deleted all my files') they can be redirected to the Ubuntu forums or other Ubuntu-specific sources, but many of their questions will be just as valid for Debian.
No censorship. No wanton editing of user postings either, if they are offensive or otherwise unfit to publish they can be moved to a special thread to be removed if not user-edited within a given period.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#91 Post by cynwulf »

yawn...

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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#92 Post by dmhdlr »

I have a related suggestion: ban the promotion of Arch Linux for a being a mindless exercise in anti-GNU posturing!
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#93 Post by qjqqyy »

the 2 ppl above just bumped into thread inactive for 2 months
and this thread is 1 year old
btw arch is seriously not bad
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#94 Post by bw123 »

the only thing I don't like about Ubuntu is how people say "I used Ubuntu and it worked fine," then tell you nothing else about the problem they are having _with Debian_

While this is a real quote, certain details have been omitted, changed and altered to protect the insane.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#95 Post by cynwulf »

qjqqyy wrote:the 2 ppl above just bumped into thread inactive for 2 months
and this thread is 1 year old
Sue me.
qjqqyy wrote:btw arch is seriously not bad
Use Arch, I hear it just feels faster...

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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#96 Post by qjqqyy »

cynwulf wrote:
qjqqyy wrote:the 2 ppl above just bumped into thread inactive for 2 months
and this thread is 1 year old
Sue me.
qjqqyy wrote:btw arch is seriously not bad
Use Arch, I hear it just feels faster...
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That's how those arch ppl make their boot so fast.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#97 Post by cynwulf »

So long as it boots faster eh...? :roll:

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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#98 Post by Telemachus »

Deckard wrote:I have a related suggestion: ban the promotion of Arch Linux for a being a mindless exercise in anti-GNU posturing!
Huh? I wasn't aware that Arch was anti-GNU. Hell, they even say GNU/Linux in some of their online materials.
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Re: Should discussion of Ubuntu be censored?

#99 Post by dmhdlr »

Telemachus wrote:
Deckard wrote:I have a related suggestion: ban the promotion of Arch Linux for a being a mindless exercise in anti-GNU posturing!
Huh? I wasn't aware that Arch was anti-GNU. Hell, they even say GNU/Linux in some of their online materials.
It was a joke with some truth in it I hope (the forum's general distaste for RMS and his FSF, the distaste for advocacy of FLOSS, the legions of Vim users, Unix affectations like the no-patches-upstream-purity-Vanilla-simplicity fetish, aping BSD, saying that Linux sucks less than the alternatives, "programs that do one thing, and do one thing well," etc.). GNU is literally not Unix, whereas I am not sure Arch has made its mind up yet.
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#100 Post by Telemachus »

Deckard wrote:It was a joke with some truth in it I hope (the forum's general distaste for RMS and his FSF, the distaste for advocacy of FLOSS, the legions of Vim users, Unix affectations like the no-patches-upstream-purity-Vanilla-simplicity fetish, aping BSD, saying that Linux sucks less than the alternatives, "programs that do one thing, and do one thing well," etc.). GNU is literally not Unix, whereas I am not sure Arch has made its mind up yet.
Your first two points might make sense. That is, if their forum has a lot of anti-RMS, anti-FLOSS sentiment, then I might see your point.

The rest of what you mention is irrelevant to assessing how someone feels about GNU.
  • Vim users are de facto anti-GNU or anti-FLOSS? I'm assuming that this is a joke. Otherwise, it's moronic. Using Emacs is not, all joking aside, an ideological litmus test (or a religious choice). It's a choice about a piece of software.
  • Unix affectations are bad? Unix affectations make you anti-GNU? That's odd. GNU is not literally not Unix. That is, the name is famously a pun and the code is not at all shared, but the entire point of the early GNU tools was to provide a free and open set of Unix-like tools. It's on their own website:
    GNU's own website wrote:The GNU Project was launched in 1984 to develop the GNU operating system, a complete Unix-like operating system which is free software—software which respects your freedom.
    Quite a lot of us here like the Unix philosophy too (to one degree or another).
Also, and much, much, much more importantly, how you feel about GNU is not equivalent to how you feel about FLOSS.

I'm probably wrong to care. You were probably being flip. But I don't like seeing choices about software conflated with ideological positions. It bothers me on principle.
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