Scheduled Maintenance: We are aware of an issue with Google, AOL, and Yahoo services as email providers which are blocking new registrations. We are trying to fix the issue and we have several internal and external support tickets in process to resolve the issue. Please see: viewtopic.php?t=158230

 

 

 

Install Debian without all these foreign Tools, dicts...

Ask for help with issues regarding the Installations of the Debian O/S.
Message
Author
User avatar
wizard10000
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 558
Joined: 2019-04-16 23:15
Location: southeastern us
Has thanked: 76 times
Been thanked: 85 times

Re: Install Debian without all these foreign Tools, dicts...

#21 Post by wizard10000 »

steve_v wrote: 2022-08-14 11:39...Do people not do their homework before installing a totally new OS any more or what?
Sadly I don't think most people do their homework. Hell, I'll admit to not doing *my* homework unless I break something but I don't come in here and bash Debian just because I didn't Read The Fine Manual.
we see things not as they are, but as we are.
-- anais nin

User avatar
sunrat
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 6412
Joined: 2006-08-29 09:12
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Has thanked: 116 times
Been thanked: 462 times

Re: Install Debian without all these foreign Tools, dicts...

#22 Post by sunrat »

I gotta say I do get dismayed when people come here and level unwarranted criticism at Debian due to being beginners and or not doing any homework, or just plain misunderstanding.
However it's nicer and more productive to offer some help or guide them to where help may be found. We were all clueless noobs at one stage. :D
“ computer users can be divided into 2 categories:
Those who have lost data
...and those who have not lost data YET ”
Remember to BACKUP!

User avatar
canci
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 2502
Joined: 2006-09-24 11:28
Has thanked: 136 times
Been thanked: 136 times

Re: Install Debian without all these foreign Tools, dicts...

#23 Post by canci »

sunrat wrote: 2022-08-14 11:08 If you are baffled by this thread, you must be baffled by many others that get posted here and elsewhere! :mrgreen:
Yes, regularly. :lol: These boards haven't been much fun for me since maybe 2011.
Image Stable / Asus VivoBook X421DA / AMD Ryzen 7 3700U / Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx (Picasso) / 8 GB RAM / 512GB NVMe

READ THIS:

* How to Post a Thread Here
* Other Tips and Great Resources

pwzhangzz
Posts: 420
Joined: 2020-11-11 17:42
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 26 times

Re: Install Debian without all these foreign Tools, dicts...

#24 Post by pwzhangzz »

sunrat wrote: 2022-08-14 11:08OP apparently was not aware of netinstall. One still needs to know what packages they want for starters, and how to install them using CLI as that's what first boot after a netinstall gives you. Many do not know how, so resort to the full installer DVD or (shudder) installing from the live system.

If you are baffled by this thread, you must be baffled by many others that get posted here and elsewhere! :mrgreen:
From our own perspective, no one will ever allow us to touch their ("Windows") computers. Trying to Install Debian on their computers is totally out of the question. Don't even think about it. The only way we can entice anyone to try a non-Windows system is to use a LiveUSB. As many would have expected, we used to use Ubuntu by default, but in the past few years, Ubuntu has degraded to a stage that it should be avoided. A hybrid Debian iso with non-free packages is actually the best OS for computer idiots (like my mother). Surprise, surprise. I guess no one would believe this even only a couple of years ago. Many hearty thanks to our dedicated Debian developers. But it needs customization (i.e., persistence).

It would be great to have something like netinstall in hybrid Debian iso (or more appropriately a minimum-install hybrid iso). We can customize it by activating persistence.

User avatar
sunrat
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 6412
Joined: 2006-08-29 09:12
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Has thanked: 116 times
Been thanked: 462 times

Re: Install Debian without all these foreign Tools, dicts...

#25 Post by sunrat »

pwzhangzz wrote: 2022-08-14 16:55It would be great to have something like netinstall in hybrid Debian iso (or more appropriately a minimum-install hybrid iso). We can customize it by activating persistence.
I have no idea what that means. :?
“ computer users can be divided into 2 categories:
Those who have lost data
...and those who have not lost data YET ”
Remember to BACKUP!

User avatar
NorthEast
Posts: 349
Joined: 2018-11-18 04:35
Has thanked: 12 times
Been thanked: 30 times

Re: Install Debian without all these foreign Tools, dicts...

#26 Post by NorthEast »

It would be great to have something like netinstall in hybrid Debian iso
It's entirely up to the user who can build their own debian iso. See:
https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live ... es.en.html
https://debian-live-config.readthedocs. ... ustom.html
https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live ... ex.en.html

lindi
Debian Developer
Debian Developer
Posts: 412
Joined: 2022-07-12 14:10
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 77 times

Re: Install Debian without all these foreign Tools, dicts...

#27 Post by lindi »

Debian 11 with gnome takes 3.9 GB here if I just install normally without doing anything special. You can see installation screencast, disk image, package list and so on at https://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/debian11/des ... installer/

User avatar
sunrat
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 6412
Joined: 2006-08-29 09:12
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Has thanked: 116 times
Been thanked: 462 times

Re: Install Debian without all these foreign Tools, dicts...

#28 Post by sunrat »

I just did netinstall Bullseye fresh with kde-plasma-desktop - 3.9GB. So I was correct in saying it was under 7GB earlier. :mrgreen:
“ computer users can be divided into 2 categories:
Those who have lost data
...and those who have not lost data YET ”
Remember to BACKUP!

pwzhangzz
Posts: 420
Joined: 2020-11-11 17:42
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 26 times

Re: Install Debian without all these foreign Tools, dicts...

#29 Post by pwzhangzz »

NorthEast wrote: 2022-08-15 01:55
It would be great to have something like netinstall in hybrid Debian iso
It's entirely up to the user who can build their own debian iso. See:
https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live ... es.en.html
https://debian-live-config.readthedocs. ... ustom.html
https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live ... ex.en.html
Seriously hope there will be more discussions about building one's own hybrid Debian iso especially for the upcoming bookworm. There is a new app called penguins-eggs that will build an installable liveUSB from your installed base:

https://penguins-eggs.net/

https://ostechnix.com/create-installabl ... uins-eggs/

https://github.com/pieroproietti/penguins-eggs

There are pros and cons vs. hybrid debian iso.

Post Reply