Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

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llivv wrote: Humm wonder what's eating pottering these days
golinux wrote:I'm hoping a pending pink slip! LOLOLOL!!!
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Pick2 wrote:
llivv wrote: Humm wonder what's eating pottering these days
golinux wrote:I'm hoping a pending pink slip! LOLOLOL!!!
Microsoft is going to Fire Him ??? :lol:
He's working for IBM now since they bought HatRed.
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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#33 Post by Funkygoby »

I remember discussing systemd a while ago.
My opinion was that the vote was called too soon for choosing the default init. If it was to take place today we would have more context regarding systemd. Is it technically reliable? How about the community?
I have nothing against systemd but this is not the best init for a system such as Debian. The project just doesn't fit into Debian

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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#34 Post by None1975 »

Funkygoby wrote:The project just doesn't fit into Debian
Well said. +1!
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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#35 Post by sjukfan »

Personally I think systemd has the same problem as Gnome these days, things are changing a bit too much, they'd both need a LTS to fit into Debian stable. And I'd be pretty miffed if firefox or something depended on either.
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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#36 Post by bw123 »

sjukfan wrote:Personally I think systemd has the same problem as Gnome these days, things are changing a bit too much, they'd both need a LTS to fit into Debian stable. And I'd be pretty miffed if firefox or something depended on either.
LTS is a crapout, (copout?) kde plasma in stretch is LTS and they haven't updated jack. LTS is just another slogan. All upstream wants to do is make new stuff that's more like windows every release. All LTS means is, "It's sort of broken, but we promise the next ver will be better, so go ahead and release it."

The pressure on debian leadership is obvious, release the new stable without trendy new 'linux thing' or desktop, or accept the broken ver into stable and call it LTS, with a promise of support that can't be fulfilled.

I swear, 15 yr old window managersand DSL or KNOPPIX from 15 yrs ago are more stable than this newer stuff. Honest, get a dsl 3 or knoppix 3 and see how often you can crash it? Now, they can be hard to boot, but that's another issue. The point is, once booted, it used to be true that LINUX don't crash.

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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#37 Post by Wheelerof4te »

bw123 wrote:LTS is a crapout, (copout?) kde plasma in stretch is LTS and they haven't updated jack.
IIRC, there was a proposal to upgrade Plasma 5.8 LTS in Stretch to a newer point release, but it hasn't been done for the fear of breaking it.

Sadly, as LTS versions go, you may be correct. But in Debian Stable, virtually any software with an active maintainer can be considered LTS. The same is with systemd.
Oh, wait...it's not :mrgreen:

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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#38 Post by llivv »

LTS may have outlasted it's duty cycle. since it was originally designed to help users avoid systemd in jessie.... Now, it's a fad in other places to help users avoid other inevitable breakage from other distro upgrades.... Those distrossss know who they are....
Next up Systemd deps on m$ kernel.... and ban Linus from the systemd bug tracker, like pottering has wanted to do for years now....
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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#39 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

llivv wrote:LTS may have outlasted it's duty cycle. since it was originally designed to help users avoid systemd in jessie.
Are you completely deluded?

So the "longterm" kernels listed over at https://www.kernel.org/ were designed for jessie? What a load of crap.

Please stop posting this FUD, it's getting really boring...
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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#40 Post by llivv »

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
llivv wrote:LTS may have outlasted it's duty cycle. since it was originally designed to help users avoid systemd in jessie.
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Are you completely deluded?
Please let us all know when and why Debian LTS was started.
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:So the "longterm" kernels listed over at https://www.kernel.org/ were designed for jessie? What a load of crap.
"longterm" -- how do you get LTS from "longterm". Must be the new vernacular or some other silly "crap" thought up lately to be distributed thoughout the enterprises. linux.com
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Please stop posting this FUD, it's getting really boring...
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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#41 Post by llivv »

Is the Debian systemd mailing list and bts offline for maintance? Fri Jan 25 2019

Anyone have a link to share like
https://salsa.debian.org/systemd-team/systemd
or upstreams - if is what you call it?
https://github.com/systemd
or
https://systemd.io/
looks like r/linux is the only place with recent links debain systemd bug reports and other assorted current debian issues.

I just can't find the mailing list or bts for some reason......
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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#42 Post by Wheelerof4te »

^Those links work for me. What are you getting at? And this
llivv wrote:Next up Systemd deps on m$ kernel.... and ban Linus from the systemd bug tracker, like pottering has wanted to do for years now....
is a little bit paranoid, don't you think?
LTS stands for "Long Term Support", and it isn't relevant only to Debian. So I don't really know what this:
llivv wrote:"longterm" -- how do you get LTS from "longterm".
meant.

Please keep the discussion civil and in good spirit, at least. Refer to my "discussion" with H.o.a.S. Or I will ask that this thread be locked.

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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#43 Post by llivv »

https://salsa.debian.org/systemd-team/systemd
https://github.com/systemd
https://systemd.io/
r/linux "debian systemd"
Wheelerof4te wrote:^Those links work for me. What are you getting at? And this
llivv wrote:Next up Systemd deps on m$ kernel.... and ban Linus from the systemd bug tracker, like pottering has wanted to do for years now....
is a little bit paranoid, don't you think?
LTS stands for "Long Term Support", and it isn't relevant only to Debian. So I don't really know what this:
llivv wrote:"longterm" -- how do you get LTS from "longterm".
meant.

Please keep the discussion civil and in good spirit, at least. Refer to my "discussion" with H.o.a.S. Or I will ask that this thread be locked.
As succinctly as possible ...... as of Fri Jan 25 2019
Where have the Debian systemd mailing list and Debian systemd bts gone?
offline?
anyone have a current link to either?
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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#45 Post by jibberjabber »

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
llivv wrote:LTS may have outlasted it's duty cycle. since it was originally designed to help users avoid systemd in jessie.
Are you completely deluded?

So the "longterm" kernels listed over at https://www.kernel.org/ were designed for jessie? What a load of crap.

Please stop posting this FUD, it's getting really boring...
It is all mostly just gossip anyway, is that the same as FUD ?
or I will ask that this thread be locked.
Is that a threat or a promise ? What was the point in starting a gossip thread to start with ?
As far as Debian LTS, goes it has nothing to do with systemd, it will continue, and is for LongTermSupport of the stable releases,see:
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Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS will not be handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies interested in making it a success.

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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#46 Post by jibberjabber »

Please let us all know when and why Debian LTS was started.
One could do some searches, to get answers to this, below is from the first hits on my search, it may be just more gossip, or FUD, but based on what it says, Debian LTS was started before systemd came into the picture ,
http://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/20 ... Debian-LTS
But it is better to read the entire article, this is just a small piece.
Despite its reputation as an all-free, counter-cultural collection for hackers, Debian is also quite stable and reliable, which makes it a viable option for many corporate networks. But after many years of Linux in the enterprise, admins have a pretty clear idea of what they want: a system that will operate for several years without requiring an upgrade. Rolling out a new operating system in the enterprise can take many months, and the process is quite complex and prone to complications. Better to make such events as infrequent as possible.

In 2014, the Debian developers woke up and realized the recent trend for Long-Term-Support (LTS) releases had left them behind. Because Debian is not backed by a company that can make money on selling support contracts (like SUSE, Red Hat, and Canonical), they had never gotten around to implementing some form of long-term support.
=== additional===
After completing the preparatory work, the then-current Debian 6 "Squeeze" became Debian's first LTS version. Its successor, Debian 7, has a correspondingly long support period: "Wheezy" was released in Spring 2013, and its support does not end until 31 May 2018. Currently, Debian is planning to offer Debian LTS support for the still-current Debian 8 "Jessie." The same applies to Debian 9 "Stretch," which will probably ship in the spring of 2017.
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The infrastructure for handling LTS tasks is provided by Freexian [3], a consulting company operated by French Debian Developer Raphaël Hertzog. Hertzog publishes a monthly report on the current status, the tasks taken, and the hours worked by the individual developers. Any developer who receives money for work on Debian LTS is required to submit a report on a monthly basis.

The first official paid work for Debian LTS [4] was completed in July 2014. The report published at the time [5] showed 21 hours for two developers; the following month, the two developers had already contributed 32 hours. Two years later, in September 2016, the figures grew to 152 hours provided by 13 developers [6].
To get a first hand report as to why Debian LTS was started, perhaps one should ask Raphaël Hertzog, or some of the others involved it starting it.
https://www.freexian.com/en/apropos/index.html
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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#47 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

llivv wrote:"longterm" -- how do you get LTS from "longterm"
And what does "LTS" stand for? :roll:

Longterm support as a general principle has nothing to do with systemd, neither does Debian's LTS team, you are full of shit.
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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#48 Post by Wheelerof4te »

Head_on_a_Stick wrote: you are full of shit.
Oh, we won't be insulting each other now.
Mod, please lock this, this has gone too far off-topic.
Systemd threads are as cancerous as ever.
Is that a threat or a promise ?
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Re: Debian systemd maintainer "taking a break"

#49 Post by Danielsan »

Wheelerof4te wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote: Systemd threads are as cancerous as ever.
What do you expect?
systemd is one of the most odious piece of software of ever. :roll:

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#50 Post by HuangLao »

Locking it is the equivalent of censorship and agreement by fiat.

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