Is it just me...

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#16 Post by sunrat »

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Soul Singin' wrote:Then someone decided that we must all be nice to the newbies
Nah, go ahead and flame the little fuckers, it's all good.
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#17 Post by vbrummond »

sunrat wrote:I miss dasein. :(
Likewise.
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#18 Post by GarryRicketson »

Maybe it is just me, but what seems to be happening here and with Debian reminds me of what started happening on internet, when AOL started, if any one here remembers that long ago, with the increasing number of windows users, now becoming Debian users, and Debian becoming more like windows every new release, I guess these kind of people are expected.
I will say, though I don't care if any one calls my granddaughter a retard, I am very proud of her, and she won 2nd prize in a competition here, recently
not quite " special olympics", but it is a accomplishment that we are all proud of her, I mean me, her parents, and as well as she is proud of her self.
Actually she types and writes considerably better then some of the members here, in spite of some of her handicaps. But it really burns me up when people use the term "retards", in relation to those that struggle with handicaps, and still do much better then most so called "perfect people".
Getting depressed now, guess that is about it for now.

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#19 Post by Deb-fan »

^@Garry never meant that comment in such a fashion. Was mostly an attempt at a joke to defuse a situation. Am sure your grandkid is a lovely person. No offense was meant, you're obviously a good nixer, keep being that please. Apologize for any offense, wasn't intended as that.
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#20 Post by sickpig »

what a great thread! me loves it :lol:
m just alluding to porcine references
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#21 Post by n_hologram »

GarryRicketson wrote:...with the increasing number of windows users, now becoming Debian users...
Devil's advocate stance, but what data are you basing this on? I ask because every time I've tried to get someone using any variant of Linux, they always find some reason to regress to Windows. It's weird to me.

It isn't necessarily a "bad" thing, as it does keep the Linuxsphere from becoming even more saturated. But, this is just my experience.
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#22 Post by eor2004 »

sunrat wrote: If you mean Debian, I think Buster is a solid release and I've seen a few people say it's really good. For me as a KDE user, Buster with Plasma 5.14 is definitely the best ever because Plasma 5.14 is the best KDE ever. I've only dabbled with it so far but had no issues and it functions very smoothly.
Don't know why, but unlike your experience, KDE5 (Plasma5) is the only one Debian DE that don't want to play nice on my system, all the other DE or Window Managers works very fine, even Gnome Shell the one I'm using right now works way better than Plasma 5 on my PC. :?
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eor2004 wrote:
sunrat wrote: If you mean Debian, I think Buster is a solid release and I've seen a few people say it's really good. For me as a KDE user, Buster with Plasma 5.14 is definitely the best ever because Plasma 5.14 is the best KDE ever. I've only dabbled with it so far but had no issues and it functions very smoothly.
Don't know why, but unlike your experience, KDE5 (Plasma5) is the only one Debian DE that don't want to play nice on my system, all the other DE or Window Managers works very fine, even Gnome Shell the one I'm using right now works way better than Plasma 5 on my PC. :?
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#24 Post by stevepusser »

I have to agree with many of your points.

Especially when those damn newbies won't get off my lawn!!!! Hey, I just reseeded it!

The median age of the MX Linux devs is actually pretty high--maybe we should call it MX Lawnux.
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#25 Post by sunrat »

Back on MX Lawnux :mrgreen:

I just read a thread there where OP didn't provide hardware info for non-working wifi until the third page, instead posting irrelevant neofetch pastes from another distro. The water was muddied somewhat by "helpers" posting irrelevant advice.
I don't like to discourage people from helping, we've all been at the start of the learning curve at some time, but fairly regularly I see "helping" do exactly the opposite.

While I admire MX a lot and use it as a fallback distro, its forum is becoming a victim of it's own popularity. I still post on topics I may know something about but often it's hard to work out what the problem is through newbies' failure to clearly explain, and the low signal-to-noise ratio from well-intentioned but misguided helpers.
That said, some of the more expert regulars and devs there must have the patience of a saint!
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#26 Post by GarryRicketson »

Was that thread here , or at MX ? Just wondering, ...Some people, to many as far as that goes, prefer having their hand held, and begging for handouts instead of doing anything for their selves, it is sad really.

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GarryRicketson wrote:Was that thread here , or at MX ?
Back on MX Lawnux :mrgreen:

I just read a thread there...
I try to prioritise the "teach a person to fish" approach rather than "give the person a fish" but it sometimes ends up somewhere in between. If I do a web search to find an answer, I will include how I did the web search and how I found the pertinent info from which I based the web search such as finding the device ID with lsusb/lspci. Spoon feeding is a poor approach to giving help and encourages help vampires.
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#28 Post by GarryRicketson »

I never even noticed :"I just read a thread there...", guess I need to read more carefully :oops:

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GarryRicketson wrote:Was that thread here , or at MX ? Just wondering, ...Some people, to many as far as that goes, prefer having their hand held, and begging for handouts instead of doing anything for their selves, it is sad really.
dont do it then.
as it is ur answers are waste. has the op searched or has the op done this. and then the inevitable list of man page references.
y bother answering if u cant offer a solution?

forum would be a better place without bird poop.

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sickpig wrote:as it is ur answers are waste. has the op searched or has the op done this. and then the inevitable list of man page references.
y bother answering if u cant offer a solution?
But what if the solution is readily available in the man pages or a simple interweb search? Are we supposed to retype that shit out for the lazy bastard OP?
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#31 Post by sickpig »

no of course not.
internet results to solutions r useless most of the times. I have almost always been provided with the right answers here in this forum as compared to getting them from random internet (interweb) searches.
and hey, man pages without examples r the most cryptic form of instructions i have ever come across.
dont answer if the solution is readily available. or if the OP hasn't provided sufficient evidence of their efforts in finding the correct solution.
whats d point in undermining the OP by belittling them for lack of their knowledge?

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#32 Post by stevepusser »

That beginner on the MX forums never would give us the result of "lspci -k" so we could try and see which Intel wi-fi they had, or even one of the many other ways I suggested could give us the chipset, but it must have been one of the new ninth-generation ones that are only supported in the 5.1 and 5.2 kernel.

Since it didn't work out of the box with our 4.19 backported Buster kernel, and they never did provide information so we could check with modinfo to see if its PCI was supported on a 5.1 kernel after being asked several times, we didn't even get the chance to tell them how to install and use a 5.1 kernel on MX with a couple mouse clicks. :(

Since MX didn't support their spanking new bleeding-edge hardware out of the box, and an Arch-based distro with the 5.2 kernel did, they said they were going to go write a scathing review of MX at Distrowatch... :lol: The thread was locked before I could offer triple their money back.
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#33 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

stevepusser wrote:That beginner on the MX forums
Yeah, I saw that thread. In the UK we would call such a person a "bellend" :mrgreen:
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#34 Post by NFT5 »

Head_on_a_Stick wrote: In the UK we would call such a person a "bellend" :mrgreen:
A lot of words must have fallen overboard on the journey from England to Australia. We'd just call such a person a dickhead.
sickpig wrote:internet results to solutions r useless most of the times. I have almost always been provided with the right answers here in this forum as compared to getting them from random internet (interweb) searches.
This really goes to the point made in another thread just today that these forums should not be used as a personal help desk. No doubt you have been given the right answers but did you need to ask the question in the first place? I've had many questions in my Linux journey but probably 98% of those have been able to be answered with a Google search and then making some sort of evaluation as to whether the suggested course of action is a) the correct one or b) not. Sometimes I've called the answer to that question wrong but even I am smart enough to have backups if if fails miserably and, if not, then I've had to reinstall and start again. My call in either case but it's part of the learning experience and the few questions that I have asked here have, by and large, been ones that have had no answer or a solution has had to be developed by people like stevepusser. But we can't rely on people as generous as he is because sooner or later he'll get sick of helping those who won't help themselves and that will hurt not just the forum but those members who have genuine problems as well.

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#35 Post by sickpig »

@NFT5 couldn't agree more that before posting a basic search has to be done and made clear in your post that you have searched.

I meant that the quality of answers posted here by most of the veterans barring a few, is way too high as compared to random internet results. And definitely more reliable.

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