LE_746F6D617A7A69 wrote: ↑2021-12-04 02:00
It is just amazing how You're trying to pretend everything is just fine ...
We are not pretending anything, everything is fine, we've had a great year, endured some hardships, reached several milestones, argued amongst ourselves, healed, aged, and continue to support F/OSS communities as well as our own. When something is not fine we are transparent about it.
LE_746F6D617A7A69 wrote: ↑2021-12-04 02:00
The fact is, that the Debian Project Team have no right to judge on who is guilty.
I could elaborate more on this, but I hope that it won't be necessary ...
The Debian Project as an organization judges no one. We have rules, a constitution, and a codified set of rules for conduct we expect from our fellow Project members inside of and outside of the project when and where they represent us. Failure to abide by, disdain of ones declaration of intent, or doing things of a nature that harm the community will always invite and qualify some manner of discipline/correction or, failing all other avenues, the unfortunate expulsion.
LE_746F6D617A7A69 wrote: ↑2021-12-04 02:00
And one more thing:
I do understand that the Debian Project Team is aware of the problem -
but it's too late to pretend that nothing have happened.
The Debian Project Team seems to be aware of the fact that they have played an "unfair game" (speaking gently)
- and AFAIN, generally they want to get back to the "fair" version of the game.
IMO there is only one way to do this:
1. The Debian team should apologize for accusing and banning people without having a proof.
2. The Debian team should confirm that the Debian Code of Conduct is not above the human rights -> i.e. the witch hunting *must* be forbidden.
I can certainly respect your desires and your opinions that you have stated.
I can only ask you do the same with these facts I offer you, and I and we can offer them officially:
Debian will always endeavor to ensure our community is safe and welcome to all.
Debian will continue its commitment to community and diversity.
Debian will always be transparent in our actions and deeds, we will not hide things even when they are unflattering to us.
Debian will employ and defend itself as needed legally from outside actors who wish harm to ourselves and our communities.
In honesty, there is not much more that we can add here. You've asked a question, we've given you the answer, we've encouraged you to research your concerns outside of tainted sources, and we've explained the discipline and expulsion process as best we could have for the rare scenario when it occurs. The intent of this thread seems to put forth a desire to try this in the court of public opinion, we've decided instead to utilize the courts of the land(s). We have said all that we are able to say about these topics and we have been upfront and honest about it, we are most confident in our providence.
Typo perfectionish.
"The advice given above is all good, and just because a new message has appeared it does not mean that a problem has arisen, just that a new gremlin hiding in the hardware has been exposed." - FreewheelinFrank