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Re: Why do you use debian?

#461 Post by Zoot »

This thread makes an interesting read with people's stories. In the spirit of keeping it going, there is an older post from me in this thread from 10 or so years ago which I figured I would add to.

I've used Debian since 2009 (I've ran every version of Debian in some form since Lenny), but I didn't use it continuously through the last 10 years. I actually used no version of Linux from around 2016 to 2019. I sort of got tired of maintaining two OS's on my main desktop around 2015/2016, since 95% of my usage was gaming or music production which needed Windows. I ended up removing Debian from my main desktop given I got to the point that I wasn't using it anymore.

That was up until I got into running my own server at home in the last few years. I tried out Windows Server for a while, and while it worked fine for my needs, it certainly ain't cheap and it isn't the most flexible at times either. I thought about using Unraid for a while given it's not expensive and has a nice UI. However, I went off the idea after a while with things like not being able to run multiple arrays, or it not liking non-Unraid formatted drives, so I then decided I'd venture back into the traditional Linux world.

I thought I'd try out Ubuntu again. So, I installed Ubuntu Server 19.10 on my home server. It ran fine for a few days, but at one point when I got it to run an rsync job copying 10TB of data from an NTFS formatted drive to an EXT4 formatted drive as part of converting from NTFS to EXT4, I came back down the morning after to find my server locked up and unresponsive - I had to force a reboot via the motherboard's IPMI. It brought back memories of the buggy mess that was Ubuntu 9.10 for me.

So, then I decided it was back to my roots - Debian. Well now, I'm running Buster about 7/8 months on my server, and it's been solid. My current uptime as I'm typing is about 6 weeks which is completely ridiculous for me, given I'm constantly tweaking and configuring things.

The machine has also really evolved beyond the media server it started out as. It now runs a whole slew of KVM/Qemu Virtual Machines to do a large variety of stuff. I'm also adding some Docker containers to the mix now too. I'm still undecided about whether I'll run everything in Docker containers or not in the future. My plan from here on out is to go from Stable release to Stable release, but maybe delay the upgrade 2 or so months until after the next Stable release comes out.

CentOS is probably the only other distro I would consider given that's just as stable as Debian's releases, but I'm just too used to Debian to consider moving to another distro for my server now.

So, to sum up - Debian is dependable, reliable, free and it's what I know. :)

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Re: Why do you use debian?

#462 Post by LE_746F6D617A7A69 »

I can afford buying MS server - but it would be stupid to spend lots of money on a system which is not doing what I'm paying for... - so I'm using Debian.

Debian is not perfect - but I can tune it to become perfect... ;)

I've also switched to Debian on my laptops and on my main PC - because it's much faster and more reliable than Windows.

I've started to 'seriously' use Linux about year 2007, mainly Ubuntu (I've used RHEL and Arch, and I've tested many other distributions). The last Ubuntu version which was really competitive to Debian was v10.04.
Since the introduction of Unity in version 11.x, Ubuntu gets bloated like hell, and even after Canonical have removed that crap from Amazon, it's still deadly slow when compared to Debian.
But what is really bad -> it's unstable by default, not to mention what happens after adding some shitty code from ppa's.

Since the adoption of systemd however, I'm seriously considering switching to Devuan, because systemd is now the main reason for unexpected failures in Debian (logic races)

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Re: Why do you use debian?

#463 Post by oswaldkelso »

1. Nearly all my old PowerPC machines run Debian
2. Freedombox https://freedomboxfoundation.org/
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Re: Why do you use debian?

#464 Post by KBD47 »

Stability. For years I distro hopped, and you realize just how breakable other distributions are after awhile. Often, just running normal updates can break other distributions.
I've found Debian Stable to be the most reliable Linux version, and I've never been happy for long with anything else.

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#465 Post by darry1966 »

Run a very basic XFCE install on an HP DV6000 from a net install - very solid. Reason - because it has run the best so far.

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#466 Post by cagehooper47 »

Personally I'm old school and I like to keep my old hardware running until it's final post fault. I even had a IBM thinkcenter you had to hit in order to get it to boot (failing cpu R.I.P. :( ) I did my first Debian test install back in 1998. And ran with Mandrake for a couple years until I came back to debian. I prefer the control and configurability of Debian. And the ease of package management. Though in recent years I have been soured on Linux in general due to the desktop turmoil. I used to like to tinker under the hood but now i prefer stuff to "just work" It took a while to get settled again but Debian Buster with Cinnamon is a nice fit. Having been an old KDE fanatic in the pre-rewrite days (3.5) With different stage machines (one still runnning Win98) I like having a way to keep that old crap still functional. Though as they get older their usage gets less and less. Even my Winxp box is relegated to old games and the such. But Debian has always provided the tools I needed for my main machine work. (Big Box: Win7/Buster 10.3 dual boot)

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#467 Post by sleepy possum »

I'm using Debian because;
Mycroft AI has a number of useful skills that are specifically written for Debian (and only ) Debian and for KDE Plasma - which Debian runs.

And an elderly relative has gone blind (legally) and using the telephone to help them get Teamviewer open on their computer so I can open a specific movie / video / screen reader pdf / audio file for them has grown more and more difficult.

Them saying "Hey Mycroft, open Teamviewer" and me doing the necessaries is the goal.

If that expands to them saying "Hey Mycroft, play Mozart's Horn Concerto". then even better.

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#468 Post by oswaldkelso »

sleepy possum wrote:I'm using Debian because;
Mycroft AI has a number of useful skills that are specifically written for Debian (and only ) Debian and for KDE Plasma - which Debian runs.

And an elderly relative has gone blind (legally) and using the telephone to help them get Teamviewer open on their computer so I can open a specific movie / video / screen reader pdf / audio file for them has grown more and more difficult.

Them saying "Hey Mycroft, open Teamviewer" and me doing the necessaries is the goal.

If that expands to them saying "Hey Mycroft, play Mozart's Horn Concerto". then even better.
Why not use fittstool https://github.com/jeanCarloMachado/fittstool to give your relative hotspots with sound hints. Point the mouse and it speaks to say the hotspot name. e.g internet or files then they just need to learn which mouse button to press. e.g left mouse button under internet is browser. Once clicked it says "browser"

I set this up for people with poor sight in dragora the config is here if it's of any use. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/889dd3b8/

here's a clip of how it works with notifiers rather than sound but the principle is the same you just edit the config.
https://invidio.us/watch?v=-oYH9gsNqFc

If you want to know more start a new thread or pm me
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Re: Why do you use debian?

#469 Post by sleepy possum »

oswaldkelso wrote: ... use fittstool https://github.com/jeanCarloMachado/fittstool to give your relative hotspots with sound hints. Point the mouse and it speaks to say the hotspot name. e.g internet or files then they just need to learn which mouse button to press. e.g left mouse button under internet is browser. Once clicked it says "browser"

I set this up for people with poor sight in dragora the config is here if it's of any use. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/889dd3b8/

here's a clip of how it works with notifiers rather than sound but the principle is the same you just edit the config.
https://invidio.us/watch?v=-oYH9gsNqFc

If you want to know more start a new thread or pm me
Thanks for that info and the offer of more - that might be useful - it sounds like a nice simple version of NVDA that is (a) usable on Linux, (b) confined to the desktop.

I'll have a closer look at it after (if) I get Mycroft running (or fail).
I saw the shopping list for an enterprise level development computer to run Mycroft on, that's $20K, without adding Intel's latest $20K tensor processor.
So I'll be running Mycroft on hardware worth $19,700 less than enterprise level - it might not perform as well as I want.

Running fittstool and Mycroft together could be a possibility.

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Re: Why do you use debian?

#470 Post by Mr. Lumbergh »

Zoot wrote:T 95% of my usage was gaming or music production which needed Windows. I ended up removing Debian from my main desktop given I got to the point that I wasn't using it anymore.
There are lot of great tools for music production now available on Debian and specialized derivatives such as AVLinux and KXStudio if that's something that still interests you; my Deb box is my main platform for that. Ardour, Reaper, and LMMS all run great and the audio is cleaner under ALSA/JACK than under Windows as well.
Just throwing that out there.

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#471 Post by Mr. Lumbergh »

Why do I use Debian?
It was kind of a gradual thing for me; I've been a Linux user for ~16 years and had another distro that I considered my "everyday driver," and it was for several years. I even commented about it in this very thread when I first started with Debian ~9 months ago. But when I started getting involved more with music production back then I gave Debian a go because I knew that Ubuntu Studio and KXStudio were both based on it, but I liked the idea of going to the source and crafting an OS for myself that had a lot of the same enhancements for audio those other specialized distros had to offer but not the other fluff I didn't really need. A bare-bones net install of Debian let me do exactly that; there isn't anything unnecessary on this box that I didn't install myself. I'm still learning and tweaking things, but this particular install of this particular distro really does feel like "mine."
As time wore on and I got my Buster install behaving the way I wanted it to, I started just booting right to it in the morning rather than Windows or that other distro first because I knew once the workday was done I was going to reboot to Debian anyway to work on stuff and practice piano via the MIDI controller in my DAW. Why boot to something else first if I know I'll just wind up on Debian later? It hasn't taken very long for Debian to be the OS representing 90%+ of the uptime on this box, despite having four OS's installed. It just does what I want and need it to do, so why mess around?
So yeah, I have several reasons why Debian has become my first choice:
  • Do you need a music production platform, a web server, a generic OS just to web browse and check email, or a router? Do you need something for an alternate platform such as Raspberry Pi? Debian can be that.
  • Do you want to start with only the essentials and build up an OS that is suited to your needs and feels like it belongs to you? Debian can be that.
  • Peripheral support is great. I was able to configure my audio interface and MIDI controller with no trouble at all.
  • I've used Yum and I've used Pacman. Dpkg and its front ends such as apt and Synaptic trounce them.
  • Assuming you don't go crazy adding things from alternate repos and the like, it's rock-solid. The only failures I've encountered have been from poorly-coded VST plugins locking up my DAW, but those are easily avoided once you figure the culprits out.
  • The forums for some of the other distros always seemed to say that Debian had a lot of elitist and condescending users, and that if I needed help I'd be greeted with snark and left to fend for myself. That did honestly delay my adoption, but I really haven't found that to be the case. Sure, there are some who get snarky here but it hasn't been any worse that on any other distro forum I've been on, and if I present my question in a way that shows I did make an effort to try to figure out the problem on my own first, it's been welcoming and helpful.
So yeah, that's how Debian became home.

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#472 Post by tdave »

tried a lot of flavors but liked debian best.

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#473 Post by cds60601 »

I use Debian because it starts with the letter "D" and I use Sid because it starts with the letter "S" - and those are my late fathers initials ;)

But seriously, I use Sid as my daily driver. I know I'll get flack for saying this and perhaps the content is wrong, but I like the rolling release-like feel and the newer packages. I also like the solidness that I have experienced using Testing and Sid over the years (on and off) but for the last year, Sid has never given me an issue, ever.
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#474 Post by Bloom »

I second that. I also use Debian Sid as my daily desktop without any problems. I switched from Testing to Sid three years ago and haven't regretted it.

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#475 Post by Islander »

Stability, and I like the package system.

I used to run Ubuntu, but got tired of things breaking regularly.

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#476 Post by MicroScreen »

For me, the decision was essentially always dependent on the intended use, such as Multimedia applications or the hardware installed for them and its architecture. Debian is also an international distribution and one of the oldest at the same time. Freedom, security and an immense selection of applications are additional attributes.
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#477 Post by Gew »

It feels more "bare" than Ubuntu (my other distribution of preference), without loosing too much simplicity.

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#478 Post by zarathustra-f90 »

Out of the box it is the most stable and minimal distro whereas nowadays apps of flatpak/snap/appimage format can upgrade it to a modern workstation that is totally controlled by the user without dependencies conflicts. Bloatless by nature and fun to use and explore the linux capabilities without giving away the ease of use or going towards a hardcore configuration path (like ground up Arch installation and configuration).

To be fair for a total beginner it can be tough at times because of the needed terminal interaction for some things, but the Gnome Software store can take away this "burden" at least for software installation. On the other hand for the moderate user who wants to explore a bit and get familiar with the Linux philosophy but not try hard I think it's the golden ratio.

For my daily development workstation I've settled to Debian with i3 window manager :!: The golden ration of stability - minimalism - compatibility :o

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#479 Post by LE_746F6D617A7A69 »

zarathustra-f90 wrote:Out of the box it is the most stable and minimal distro whereas nowadays apps of flatpak/snap/appimage format can upgrade it to a modern workstation that is totally controlled by the user without dependencies conflicts.
flatpak/snap/appimage are not much different from Ubuntu PPA's - they are breaking the stability and security of the system just like PPA's - by installing outdated/incompatible/insecure versions of various system libraries (DSOs)
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#480 Post by Bulkley »

The question I have is, "Why do I still use Debian?" I've been struggling over this ever since Buster was released. Debian is bloated. Some of this is Systemd but my daily tools are too. For example, years ago I installed Icedove to handle my email, just email. Icedove became Thunderbird and grew. Now it has a calendar and a task manager and a chat function none of which I use or need in an email client. Most alternatives are also bloated. What to do? I've tried a lot of OSs during the past year and find myself stripping stuff I don't want out of them. Bloat is not just a Debian problem. There are some stripped down OSs but they tend to have a steep learning curve and very few packages, if any, in their repositories. I admit to be terrible at installing from source and I loathe dependency hell as we used to call RPMs. Debian's big advantage is a massive repository and easy tools to use them. For now, I'm still here.

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