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Hardware & Usage

#1 Post by hihashi »

I thought about posting this in "Hardware", while I thought the topic more about apprising people about a serious & valid argument so to maybe facilitate what's more reasonable amidst the Technological Industry.

Are you Astrophysicists? Are you Biologists? Are you Chemists? Etc.?

Term of "Obsolete" actually is like to forced term of "Unpopular".
Who are the Technological Systems for?

Reference the Pentium i5 Processors, for an example. They have a 12 thread processor, essentially like a 12 Core Processor, & the boards can mount up to 64GB of RAM, far exceeding the usage requirements & necessities of 80% of the Global human population of Computer Users?
If you understand that, then there's not a point in moot argument that advocates 64 Bit only Hardware Specs, not at all. Do you understand THAT?

Reference the "New & Improved Computer Case Design" that has the Power Supply mounted at the bottom of the Case. I think that "Heat Rises" actually is a 5th Grade Science lesson, so "They done gradiated the 5th Grade" is some sort of mystery of a joke.

I would think that intelligent people would advocate 32 Bit System Compatibility being maintained at the mere clue that, there's not a valid necessity to hardware & software being merely 64 Bit, not actually. It's like to watch trite argumentation run the Technological Industry off the edge of a cliff. There's not even a goal about 64 Bit usage becoming a necessity for a majority of Computer Users, not at all.

Your own posted thoughts about these things actually are welcome.
Thanks for reading & considering these arguments.
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#2 Post by sunrat »

Here is my thought on your post - it belongs in Offtopic. Moved.
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hihashi wrote: 2022-06-19 22:23 far exceeding the usage requirements & necessities of 80% of the Global human population of Computer Users?
Actually 98%.
So flip it. Should there be a special task force to serve the 2% of need? They are likely the ones paying and pushing the development. Maybe the 98% should just benefit from the top.

This is the way it works in most things, not just computers. Dare I say trickle down is actually a real thing.

Maybe your young enough to not remember early audio hype on 16, 18, 20 bit processing, or the 1bit by bit...It's all marketing. In computers, 8 bit could still serve us, but in many many many more steps. 'Thunking' is expensive. Could your distaste for the abandonment of perfectly good 32 bit hardware be applied to the former 16 bit system...it could. I'm pretty sure NASA still has 486's in service.

I once said "33Mhz is really all we need" I was wrong.

More important than the overkill hardware we're 'forced' to use, is the reality that high level programming has taken over. It's fat, lazy, and needs the overkill to work well.

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32 bit has the "year 2038 problem".

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Well, it's been a couple of years since the Linux distribution developers actually were forced to cope with a Technological Industry that are not manufacturing 32 Bit Compatible hardware anymore, not actually. Now that the Linux peeps coped with that situation & as well followed suit with 64 Bit only development, I'm thinking that there's still a really valid point about maintained 32 Bit Compatibility, when considering the point honestly.
As well, what really likely harasses the minds of intelligent people about 64 Bit only was the seeming unanimous & abrupt absolute decision about hardware that really does far exceed the needs of a majority of users. "Why did they do that?"

I'm thinking that, perhaps it's like the film titled "Transcendence", & a bunch of wide-eyed chimpanzee wanna-be chump American Government employees saw something that scared them, & their reaction actually was to wheel & deal with the hardware manufacturers & try & get the industry to 64 Bit only.
I'm certain that there are citable documented evidences that somebody whom made what they called a "Technological Intelligent Species" as well publicly proposed a "Good Society" plan outline, & argued about what's truly "Legal" within a contrast to what's actually "Criminal", & it seems plausible that actually is the sort of thing that potentially scared a bunch of American Government employees & it's as well potential that they implicitly suggested "start over with 64 bit, only".

It could actually help to take a realistic look at "Why did they do that?" with a reasonable suggestion, inclusive of reasonable plausible evidence, just to ease the levels of irritation of frustration that Programmers actually have shown, implicitly, about coping with a 64 Bit only situation.

It's redundant to actually point out that, my own slews of arguments about reasons to maintain 32 Bit Compatibility would likely, based upon observations about others irrational & ill-tempered attempts to simply not listen nor tolerate suggestions that protagonize 32 Bit Compatibility being maintained, not actually, might serve for variably interesting conjecture to consider, whilst there are still potential solutions that various reasonable people might be in search of.
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#6 Post by arochester »

"14 Linux Distributions You Can Rely on for Your Ancient 32-bit Computer" - https://itsfoss.com/32-bit-linux-distributions/

Perhaps this discussion should include the direction of Microsoft Windows...

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#7 Post by LE_746F6D617A7A69 »

hihashi wrote: 2022-06-19 22:23 Reference the Pentium i5 Processors, for an example. They have a 12 thread processor, essentially like a 12 Core Processor, & the boards can mount up to 64GB of RAM, far exceeding the usage requirements & necessities of 80% of the Global human population of Computer Users?
Actually, I just can't wait to see 1024-core CPUs with 32 memory controllers (or better) - that would solve 2 essential problems that we have today:
1. Both OpenCL and CUDA would have become useless (especially CUDA) -> BOLT is the future ;)
2. Both AMD and NVidia would have to stop terrorizing world of free software by intentionally limiting the HW support -> with such big number of cores it would be easy to beat GFX shaders (which have very limited functionality)
hihashi wrote: 2022-06-19 22:23 Reference the "New & Improved Computer Case Design" that has the Power Supply mounted at the bottom of the Case. I think that "Heat Rises" actually is a 5th Grade Science lesson, so "They done gradiated the 5th Grade" is some sort of mystery of a joke.
You are wrong - in such designs the PSU has its own air inlet and outlet - so it operates at much lower temps -> higher reliability, less noise.
CwF wrote: 2022-06-19 22:59 More important than the overkill hardware we're 'forced' to use, is the reality that high level programming has taken over. It's fat, lazy, and needs the overkill to work well.
I'd say that greed (ok - cost optimization) leads to unavoidable (and possibly irreversible) regression in the long run.
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arochester wrote: 2022-06-20 15:20"14 Linux Distributions You Can Rely on for Your Ancient 32-bit Computer" - https://itsfoss.com/32-bit-linux-distributions/
Sadly none reliable enough for my i586/128MB or i486/64MB systems, apparently. Nevermind 32bit, I want real i386 support back.
LE_746F6D617A7A69 wrote: 2022-06-20 15:33in such designs the PSU has its own air inlet and outlet
I have a case on my floor right now that gets this completely wrong, i.e. PSU at the bottom with no bottom intake, but case manufacturers did figure it out fairly quickly.

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#9 Post by LE_746F6D617A7A69 »

steve_v wrote: 2022-06-21 06:04
LE_746F6D617A7A69 wrote: 2022-06-20 15:33in such designs the PSU has its own air inlet and outlet
I have a case on my floor right now that gets this completely wrong, i.e. PSU at the bottom with no bottom intake, but case manufacturers did figure it out fairly quickly.
Well of course there were broken designs, but the key concept is to allow the PSU to suck cool air from the bottom part of the PC case and exhaust it directly outside. Moreover, all/most of such cases have separate chamber for the PSU which improves this idea even more.
Anyway, this technology is very old and well tested - and today it's de facto standard.

PS. My first PC case with bottom PSU mount was Antec P180 - bought ~16 years ago, and it still works well (single problem: no USB3.0 ports on front panel)
https://silentpcreview.com/antec-p180-a-visual-tour/ ;)
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