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operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-28 22:09
by fruitofloom
Debian ports
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Debian GNU/kFreeBSD
Debian GNU/HURD


Debian based:
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grml: http://download.grml.org/devel/grml64-f ... 10-rc1.iso (with libsystemd0)
antix: https://sourceforge.net/projects/antix- ... antiX-14R/ (for testing, libsystemd0 ? )
refracta: https://downloads.sourceforge.net/proje ... 7_1300.iso (for testing, without libsystemd0, it's pinned)
exegnulinux: http://exegnulinux.net/downloads/jessie/
Kali: distro only for pentesters and wannabes.

BSD (in short: all *BSD ones come without systemd)
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FreeBSD
OpenBSD
NetBSD
DragonflyBSD
PC-BSD
MirBSD
TrueOS

Gnu/Linux
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Slackware
Salix
Slax
Porteus
Gentoo
Funtoo
Liberte
Dragora
Crux
PCLinuxOS
Void Linux
Putty
Slitaz
Stella
Pisi

Solaris
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Solaris
OpenIndiana
others based on Solaris ...

Other and obscure solutions:
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minix3
haiku
plan9 / inferno
musl-libc based distros (not sure): http://wiki.musl-libc.org/wiki/Projects_using_musl
Windows OS'es
Apple OS'es
FirefoxOS
Android

Re: operarting systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-28 22:14
by golinux
Why no mention of the systemd-less version of Jessie that fsmithred has put together?

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-28 22:15
by fruitofloom
it is in the list.
no?
under "Debian based", second paragraph. If i am wrong let me know (pretty confused tonight ....)

You (or anyone) can of course either a) tell me what to add or remove to the OP list or b) post your own list in this thread (say: what are good solutions to you. Would seem pointless to duplicate the above list - duh).

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-28 22:20
by Head_on_a_Stick

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-28 22:22
by fruitofloom
I didn't mention rather obscure solutions like haiku, plan9, inferno, etc.
arch equals obscure, in my book
:-)

kidding aside:
As you say, alternative init systems like runit, cinit, openrc aren't trivial to implement in Arch, so people generally leave Arch for another distro if they're unhappy with systemd.
from the link you gave.

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-29 00:32
by golinux
fruitofloom wrote:it is in the list.
no?
under "Debian based", second paragraph.
Yes, it is. Don't know how I missed it. Senior moment? :oops:

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-29 10:18
by anticapitalista
Just to clarify, antiX-svsVinit has libsystemd0 (for the moment, hope to get rid of it)

Added: Got rid of it so antiX-14/15 sysvinit will be 99% systemd free (only udev remains)

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-29 12:59
by mmix
i am using void linux:
http://www.voidlinux.eu/

any linux distro with busybox

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-29 13:28
by harrycaul
Does Puppy Linux still use BusyBox?

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-29 18:12
by pcalvert
harrycaul wrote:Does Puppy Linux still use BusyBox?
Yes, I believe so.

Phil

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-30 00:43
by Job
The best thing will be for Debian to release Jessie with and without systemd. Now that will be really freedom a la Debian.

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-30 01:36
by fruitofloom
mmix wrote:i am using void linux:
http://www.voidlinux.eu/

any linux distro with busybox
I added Void Linux

I don't understand the second sentence (neither why any distro with busybox would *not* come with systemd, nor now to know in advance if a distro comes with busybox. Or, truth to be told, what exactly busybox is. Looked always to me like a pretty minimal shell environment, which . used if something goes south during boot, which,as far it's me, was pretty much never)
If you care to explain that a bit more detailed: thanks in advance.

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I didn't add puppy linux, because to me it looked abandoned. If i shall add it, iow: if it makes sense to add it, i will do.
It is not supposed to be a list of distros or OS i like or prefer. Just a list for people who want to avoid systemd.
But it is also supposed to make sense (no outstanding obscure solutions, say Windows7, and no distros out of date, abandoned)

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-30 03:15
by pcalvert
fruitofloom wrote: I didn't add puppy linux, because to me it looked abandoned. If i shall add it, iow: if it makes sense to add it, i will do.
I don't think Puppy has been abandoned. However, it is not a "normal" distro -- in Puppy you are always root. Personally, I'd use it as a live CD only.

Phil

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-30 06:31
by fruitofloom
Ok, thanks. I will add it to the list.

I recall something when i tried to put putty on raspberry pi. Perhaps me recalling "abandon" is related to that. I checked at wikipedia, the last release is quite a while ago, but that's all i can figure out.
What i can say about putty is that it ran on pretty any hardware i tried (where other distros failed. antiX always was quite reliable too). I never used it for something serious though.

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-30 16:58
by MoaTib
fruitofloom wrote: I didn't add puppy linux, because to me it looked abandoned.
Puppy Linux 6.0 released:
http://bkhome.org/news/?viewDetailed=00097

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-30 20:15
by goulo
For the more adventurous, you should mention Minix 3.3.0.
http://www.minix3.org/

Its most recent version is stated to be "largely compatible with NetBSD and runs thousands of NetBSD packages."

It's on my "to try out" list in case I become unable to keep my Debian install free of systemd.

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-31 07:58
by fruitofloom
Shit knows where to add it.
I guess in my book it is a "rather obscure OS".
(last time i tried it, years ago, it was .weird (perhaps it simply was me not being up to me)).
But yes, i completely forgot it. Thanks

Lemme think about it, then probably make a section "others".


My favorites, btw are
Gentoo/Funtoo
Slackware
BSD
(Any of the BSD's, i don't care which one, probably FreeBSD, as i slightly know it.) That mainly is a long time solution, assuming Linux as a whole will be swallowed into Poetter-land.
All of those three are long time around, are comfortable enough and got a userbase not that small.

And refracta, mentioned above by golinux, seems to work pretty well systemd and libsystemd0 free. Just been looking at it.
As antix/anticapitalista is in touch with them, chances are high antix will get it sorted soon too.
So that are the two other favorites, advantage being that they are Debian based. Disadvantage? Well: i for one really want to set a clear sign.

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-31 23:24
by pcalvert
fruitofloom wrote: What i can say about putty is that it ran on pretty any hardware i tried (where other distros failed. antiX always was quite reliable too). I never used it for something serious though.
You spelled it wrong. It's not "Putty" but "Puppy" (puppy = kleiner Hund).

Phil

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-10-31 23:43
by fleabus
fruitofloom wrote:And refracta, mentioned above by golinux, seems to work pretty well systemd and libsystemd0 free. Just been looking at it.
As antix/anticapitalista is in touch with them, chances are high antix will get it sorted soon too.
So that are the two other favorites, advantage being that they are Debian based. Disadvantage? Well: i for one really want to set a clear sign.
I saw this encouraging bit today:

http://erickoegel.wordpress.com/tag/consolekit2/

Encouraging because I'm now emotionally attached to Xfce..

Re: operating systems without systemd

Posted: 2014-11-01 02:00
by Linadian
I posted this link to Linus telling off a systemd developer in the Distrowatch comments, it's good for a laugh, check it out, it's from April/14 so some of you may have read it already.

The more I read about systemd, the more I hate it, Redshat is becoming the Microslop of the Linux world, I ran to Linux to get away from this $#1+.

I just built a machine as a f%#k you to Intel and Nvidia (see sig), I'll be damned if I'm gunna have this blob of $#1+ forced down my throat too. :evil:

I downloaded PC-BSD cuz I'm a GUI-head lazy bastard, gunna check it out.

I'll be very sad when I have to say goodbye to Debian, my first real Linux only (Windows free) experience was Mepis (Debian based).