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Vote for Lenny's new slogan
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It's Latin. The 'to' is implied. Case in pointOok wrote:Thus always schedules?Bio Tube wrote:"Sic semper [however you say schedules in Latin]!"
That's normally translated to "Let them hate, so long as they fear". Latin's remarkably flexible, unlike the romance languages.Caligula wrote:Oderint dum metuant.
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Don't some of you think that Lenny needs something flippy or better yet groovy? "The Universal Operating System" does indeed tell a lot about Debian and its character, but in my opinion it is just boring. In fact, I find most political topics boring as well unless they have something to do with me. Yes, I would go and strike about something as simple as having food prices drop because I am going to buy food pretty often anyway so why not get my ass up and use my right as a civil? Therefore it would be really good if Debian Lenny would have a "cool" slogan so it will give the image of being more open to new young people and those people are the most important in every project, because they are most likely eager to learn and develop things further. "The Universal Operating System" sounds like a group of men just in their 50s (no offense). But anyway in the end this is just my opinion, so who cares? I do.
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<putting on Latin teacher hat>BioTube wrote:It's Latin. The 'to' is implied. Case in pointOok wrote:Thus always schedules?Bio Tube wrote:"Sic semper [however you say schedules in Latin]!"That's normally translated to "Let them hate, so long as they fear". Latin's remarkably flexible, unlike the romance languages.Caligula wrote:Oderint dum metuant.
Huh? There's no "to" implied in "sic semper", which does in fact mean "thus always". In "Sic semper tyrannis" the implied "to" is in the dative "tyrannis". "Oderint dum metuant" is translated "Let them hate, so long as they fear" because that's precisely what it means. There's no flexibility involved. Latin is highly flexible in it's word order - much more so than modern Romance languages or English - but that doesn't amount to a general flexibility of meaning.
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More generally, why is anyone rising to Rickh's bait about the Civil War? He's just looking for attention. Ignore him.
"We have not been faced with the need to satisfy someone else's requirements, and for this freedom we are grateful."
Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, The UNIX Time-Sharing System
Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, The UNIX Time-Sharing System
I know. It's just simpler to call it implied since few people have any interest in the language.Telemachus wrote:<putting on Latin teacher hat>BioTube wrote:It's Latin. The 'to' is implied. Case in pointOok wrote:Thus always schedules?That's normally translated to "Let them hate, so long as they fear". Latin's remarkably flexible, unlike the romance languages.Caligula wrote:Oderint dum metuant.
Huh? There's no "to" implied in "sic semper", which does in fact mean "thus always". In "Sic semper tyrannis" the implied "to" is in the dative "tyrannis".
By "flexible", I WAS referring to the word order(why would you think I was referring to meaning?)."Oderint dum metuant" is translated "Let them hate, so long as they fear" because that's precisely what it means. There's no flexibility involved. Latin is highly flexible in it's word order - much more so than modern Romance languages or English - but that doesn't amount to a general flexibility of meaning.
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Because it's fun. And Debian really does take the sic semper attitude to release dates.More generally, why is anyone rising to Rickh's bait about the Civil War? He's just looking for attention. Ignore him.
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I didn't think you meant word order because the word order of "Oderint dum metuant" is exactly the same in Latin as in the equivalent English:BioTube wrote:By "flexible", I WAS referring to the word order(why would you think I was referring to meaning?)Telemachus wrote:"Oderint dum metuant" is translated "Let them hate, so long as they fear" because that's precisely what it means. There's no flexibility involved. Latin is highly flexible in it's word order - much more so than modern Romance languages or English - but that doesn't amount to a general flexibility of meaning.
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Oderint = Let them hate ("me" implied)
dum = provided that/so long as
metuant = they fear ("me" implied)
So what word order flexibility did you have in mind with that example?
"We have not been faced with the need to satisfy someone else's requirements, and for this freedom we are grateful."
Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, The UNIX Time-Sharing System
Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, The UNIX Time-Sharing System
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And last post you meant word order. Ok. I think you mean pronouns, btw, since there aren't any missing prepositions or articles.BioTube wrote:Actually, I was getting at the lack of articles/prepositions/whatever you call them in Latin, due to the word endings.
"We have not been faced with the need to satisfy someone else's requirements, and for this freedom we are grateful."
Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, The UNIX Time-Sharing System
Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, The UNIX Time-Sharing System
I think the ideal slogan for Lenny would have been: "The Universal Operating System. When Freedom and Quality matters". Since that slogan wasn't available, I chose "The Universal Operating System".
The current results, after 2702 votes, are:
The Spiral Strikes Back! -- 13% (364)
The Universal Operating System -- 21% (574)
When code matters more than commercials -- 11% (291)
Free never looked so good -- 10% (273)
The universal operating system never looked so good! -- 2% (52)
We build it the right way -- 6% (162)
Wanna see new horizons? -- 4% (113)
See Freedom Work -- 13% (346)
One operating system. Infinite Freedom -- 20% (527)
I noticed that the Linux Outlaws podcast on November 15, 2008 appears to make fun of this poll by suggesting the slogan "Lick My Lenny". ( "Linux Outlaws"??? Does the name reflect their agreement with the claim that the Linux kernel violates 235 of Microsoft's patents? ) I kind of agree that not all the slogan suggestions are really that great.
Still, these kinds of polls are a nice way to call for community participation. A bit of advertising doesn't hurt Debian, but I think the advertising should concentrate on Debian's actual strengths: freedom and quality.
The current results, after 2702 votes, are:
The Spiral Strikes Back! -- 13% (364)
The Universal Operating System -- 21% (574)
When code matters more than commercials -- 11% (291)
Free never looked so good -- 10% (273)
The universal operating system never looked so good! -- 2% (52)
We build it the right way -- 6% (162)
Wanna see new horizons? -- 4% (113)
See Freedom Work -- 13% (346)
One operating system. Infinite Freedom -- 20% (527)
I noticed that the Linux Outlaws podcast on November 15, 2008 appears to make fun of this poll by suggesting the slogan "Lick My Lenny". ( "Linux Outlaws"??? Does the name reflect their agreement with the claim that the Linux kernel violates 235 of Microsoft's patents? ) I kind of agree that not all the slogan suggestions are really that great.
Still, these kinds of polls are a nice way to call for community participation. A bit of advertising doesn't hurt Debian, but I think the advertising should concentrate on Debian's actual strengths: freedom and quality.
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I voted for the universal operating system cos it is.
But I'd have preferred something like:
Debian Lenny - Better Late Than Never. (English)
Debian Lenny - Tempus Fugit. (Latin)
Debian Lenny - Time Flies But X11 Crashes. (Geek)
Debian Lenny - Where The Bloody Hell Have You Been? (Australian)
(all jokes gratefully received from the rest home and hospice for old jokes)
But I'd have preferred something like:
Debian Lenny - Better Late Than Never. (English)
Debian Lenny - Tempus Fugit. (Latin)
Debian Lenny - Time Flies But X11 Crashes. (Geek)
Debian Lenny - Where The Bloody Hell Have You Been? (Australian)
(all jokes gratefully received from the rest home and hospice for old jokes)
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