Enlightenment DR17

[garrincha]

mzilikazi, I just noticed that it also affected xterm when running mc. It was bad in eterm and other terminals. Very much the same things in your screenshot. I used your LANG=c command to launch mc and these cleared it up.

I'm not sure which character encoding that I'm using though, how do I check for it?

hcgtv, it would appears that the problem is not only with eterm but also other terminal when I was running mc.

[Grifter]

eterm and e16 are five thousand years old, while some people still use e16, you should _really_ use a better terminal, if you want transparent backgrounds and stuff like that which eterm had, use rxvt-unicode-lite

[garrincha]

eterm and e16 are five thousand years old, while some people still use e16, you should _really_ use a better terminal, if you want transparent backgrounds and stuff like that which eterm had, use rxvt-unicode-lite

Oh great, I'm ancient.

Yeah, I knew that Eterm and E16 are getting long in tooth, however I'm using them so I could mess around a bit. There isn't a repository for E17 in Etch or a deb yet though, unless you know of one? I'll use your suggestion of rxvt-unicode-lite though. Thanks!

[Grifter]

e17 was being developped back when I made the switch in 2001, I was using enlightenment too at the time so I was really looking forward to the new one... only it never came... and never came... and never came... and since it's not complete yet it still hasn't come (:

Who knows though, eventually the international space station will be complete and maybe e17 will finally be ready for its inauguration (:

[hcgtv]

Who knows though, eventually the international space station will be complete and maybe e17 will finally be ready for its inauguration (:

I would tend to think when the moon base is ready

Yeah, it's been a while coming but it's slowly getting there. It's actively worked on but there seems to be a lack knowing of what works in CVS and what doesn't. I have to look at the Sid repository and determine from there what I can safely compile. Also, many users get to use the CVS repository for their side projects, then they abandon them and we're not told about it. So at present, what the project lacks is communication for us testers and early adopters.

I'm hoping to see an Etch repository soon, fingers crossed.

[mzilikazi]

I'm not sure which character encoding that I'm using though, how do I check for it?

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locale -a

I noticed something interesting although I've not really had the time to investigate further. Seems the mc & UTF8 is a know issue.

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$ tail -n 6 /etc/profile
#Added to try and fix mc and UTF8 ugliness
[ -n "$LANG" ] || LANG="en_US.UTF-8"

export PATH

umask 022

Well apparently this does not work. For now it's just easiest to use an alias in ~/.bashrc like so:

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alias mc="LANG=c mc"

Maybe not the best fix but it works.

[garrincha]

[quote="mzilikazi"]

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locale -a

Thanks, I'm definitely using UTF-8, the same as you. So it seems to be a particular problem with mc and terminal. Anyway, I'm using this code you suggested for now.

[hcgtv]

Found a better script to compile E17 on Etch:

http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/#easy_e17.sh

[S1NGH]

hmm... just got debian installed and wanted to go ahead with the script to install e17 but nothing happens, could you please take a care to look at this?

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s1ngh@iNSANiTY-Debian:~/Desktop$ cd Desktop
s1ngh@iNSANiTY-Debian:~/Desktop$ cd e17
s1ngh@iNSANiTY-Debian:~/Desktop/e17$ chmod 755 easy_e17.sh

what do you think could be the problem?

[mzilikazi]

hmm... just got debian installed and wanted to go ahead with the script to install e17 but nothing happens, could you please take a care to look at this?

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s1ngh@iNSANiTY-Debian:~/Desktop$ cd Desktop
s1ngh@iNSANiTY-Debian:~/Desktop$ cd e17
s1ngh@iNSANiTY-Debian:~/Desktop/e17$ chmod 755 easy_e17.sh

what do you think could be the problem?

You did not execute the script!

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./easy_e17.sh

Better read the script first and see what it is about to do and where it intends to store everything pulled down from cvs.
I must warn you however that building e17 from scratch is not always an easy process. You will have to find and install ALOT of dependencies before it will build (all available through apt-get). Once you've gotten through the build process successfully your subsequent builds will be much easier.

My suggestion is to simply use the Debian repository for E17. It is always very close to cvs.

[S1NGH]

hmm... just got debian installed and wanted to go ahead with the script to install e17 but nothing happens, could you please take a care to look at this?

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s1ngh@iNSANiTY-Debian:~/Desktop$ cd Desktop
s1ngh@iNSANiTY-Debian:~/Desktop$ cd e17
s1ngh@iNSANiTY-Debian:~/Desktop/e17$ chmod 755 easy_e17.sh

what do you think could be the problem?

You did not execute the script!

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./easy_e17.sh

Better read the script first and see what it is about to do and where it intends to store everything pulled down from cvs.
I must warn you however that building e17 from scratch is not always an easy process. You will have to find and install ALOT of dependencies before it will build (all available through apt-get). Once you've gotten through the build process successfully your subsequent builds will be much easier.

My suggestion is to simply use the Debian repository for E17. It is always very close to cvs.

Hey thanks, looks like i havn't been awake lately, i have been installing Debian the whole night via NetInstall so i think i am just blown *comforting sigh*

well anyway, could you please guide me through this, as i have a clean install of Debian and nothing installed yet and want to get E17 up and running.

[mzilikazi]

If you start E17 from command line e.g. no KDM or GDM or Entrance you must use.

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startx /usr/bin/enlightenment_start

DO NOT use:

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startx /usr/bin/enlightenment

Add the new repository (you can use the echo command as written below but if you have no newline at the end of sources.list it doesn't work. Of course you can simply use your favorite text editor to add the new repository):

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$ su
# echo "deb http://www.edevelop.org/debian unstable main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list

Install the new key:

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# gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 03CA4243
# apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg

Update

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# apt-get update

Install E17

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# apt-get install e17 e17-extras emodules0-all

NOTE - Entrance is the E17 login manager but it sometimes get's...weird and certainly does not have all of the functionality of GDM. I use Entrance on my work machine where I am the only one that ever logs in. At home I use GDM so several people can have a desktop running at the same time.

[hcgtv]

mzilikazi,

Are you running Sid or Etch?

I've thought of using the Edevelop repositories on Etch but didn't know if they would work. Beats spending all the time it takes to compile E17 from scratch every few days.

[S1NGH]

i think mzilikazi is on Etch because the above worked for me perfectly.

Thanks again mzilikazi, really appreciated.

[mzilikazi]

Well I run Sid but as posted it works fine for Etch too.

[garrincha]

Well I run Sid but as posted it works fine for Etch too.

Are you saying that in order for me to install E17 in my Debian/Etch box, I need to add to my source.list:

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deb http://www.edevelop.org/debian unstable main

Using 'unstable' (or 'sid'), or do I have to change it to 'testing' ('etch')?

Also, I'm not quite clear on this:

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# apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg

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[mzilikazi]

Are you saying that in order for me to install E17 in my Debian/Etch box, I need to add to my source.list:

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deb http://www.edevelop.org/debian unstable main

Testing is there if you want to try it but it's rather old. If you want the latest greatest use the sid repo and add the line to sources.list as is.

Also, I'm not quite clear on this:

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# apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg

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man apt-key
DESCRIPTION
       apt-key is used to manage the list of keys used by apt to authenticate
       packages. Packages which have been authenticated using these keys will
       be considered trusted.

If you like a GUI for apt-key you can do:

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$ su
# apt-get install gui-apt-key
# gui-apt-key

It's in testing & unstable anyway.

[hcgtv]

Well I run Sid but as posted it works fine for Etch too.

I'll have to give it a try then, thanks.

[garrincha]

[quote="mzilikazi"][/quote]

Thanks. I do have E16 installed. So I'll give this a try to get the E17.

Edit: I just installed E17 (on my old disk - the one I use to make and break). I have to say, "wow" is an understatement. E17 is indeed much better than E16. At first glance, E17 seems to be slightly "bloated" but it is not and it is quite fast amazingly.

[mzilikazi]

E17 is indeed much better than E16. At first glance, E17 seems to be slightly "bloated" but it is not and it is quite fast amazingly.

Just keep a spare window manager around for those times when it suddenly goes alpha on you.