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Debian buster: are you testing?

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Re: Debian buster: are you testing?

#41 Post by llivv »

xepan wrote: None of my PC's or laptops is younger than 10 years, and actual kernels and distributions work well on them.
Same here...
I have 15 year olds I don't use much anymore, and wouldn't you know it, when I went to use one of them for a hybrid car issue, I found a leaking cap next to the PCIx slot and the onboard video failed. 'rethink the hybrid car maintenance' ....
So I got a used 2008 mobo/processor combo [$25] and dropped it in the case after pulling the toasted mobo out. And that is what I'm using now. Intel DG41RQ. Xeon X3300, 2GB ddr2 pc6400, 500 GB Western Digital SATA 300 .
I upgraded the processor from a core2 duo 2.4 Ghz to the core2 quad 2.6Ghz [another $25]
and upgraded the 512mB ddr2 pc5300 to 2Gb ddr2 pc6400 [$15] / available computer funds.
It's old trash compared to some of the $5 or 6K machines asking for help in this forum.
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Re: Debian buster: are you testing?

#42 Post by xepan »

Well, it would probably be an idea to upgrade one or two of them (more i don't use regulrarly anyway).
Thing is: they do what i want, so i don't (i am always broken).
modern webbrowsers don't really work, but besides text-only websites like forums i don't use the web. into the bargain: no need to block ads :-)

Just chat, not arguing that upgrading sure makes sense.

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Re: Debian buster: are you testing?

#43 Post by llivv »

I just don't get why so many need to [upgrade to newest models] as soon as they are released.
Unless they want to support the R&D for quantum automation[cars, phones, computers, TV's] are the big ones, but almost everything nowadays.

I sure don't want to support that, such a waste.
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Re: Debian buster: are you testing?

#44 Post by None1975 »

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:The trick is to point the sources to buster, run `apt update` then `apt-get -s dist-upgrade` then revert the sources back to stretch and `apt update` again to bring your box back to stable.
You can go from stable --> testing --> unstable. But the reverse direction is not "possible". Actually, if you are an expert and if you are willing to spend some time and if you are real careful and if you know what you are doing, then it might be possible to go from unstable to testing and then to stable. The installer scripts are not designed to do that. So in the process, your configuration files might be lost and...
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Re: Debian buster: are you testing?

#45 Post by Bulkley »

None1975 wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:The trick is to point the sources to buster, run `apt update` then `apt-get -s dist-upgrade` then revert the sources back to stretch and `apt update` again to bring your box back to stable.
You can go from stable --> testing --> unstable. But the reverse direction is not "possible". . . .
Note the '-s' which is just a look-see.

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Re: Debian buster: are you testing?

#46 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

None1975 wrote:if you are an expert and if you are willing to spend some time and if you are real careful and if you know what you are doing, then it might be possible to go from unstable to testing and then to stable
Guide here: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi ... owngrading :mrgreen:

But yes, as Bulkley notes, we were using the --simulate flag to get a handle on the errors without b0rking the box.
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Head_on_a_Stick wrote:But yes, as Bulkley notes, we were using the --simulate flag to get a handle on the errors without b0rking the box.
Now I understood. Thanks for the explanation.
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#48 Post by Bulkley »

xepan wrote:None of my PC's or laptops is younger than 10 years, besides the raspberries, and actual kernels and distributions work well on them.
This one has an odd BIOS that doesn't like live-USBs. For each one I have to manually set BIOS to the front of the boot cycle or it won't find it. It will run them begrudgingly but they have to be perfect. Anyway, I tried both of the Buster live-USBs on another machine and both reported not bootable. Curiously, I made a Devuan live-USB with the same tools and it booted easily. I have made live-Debian USBs for Stretch, Jessie, etc. The computer demons just don't want me to test Buster. :lol:

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Re: Debian buster: are you testing?

#49 Post by xepan »

Ah, got you.
Some of mine don't even boot from USB :-)

I first thought you thought about throwing it away (and my point was: perhaps ! it is still usable. You last comment seems to confirm that, but simply not with buster - right now).
You don't seem to have wanted that, throwing it away, at all, so ... well: my fault.

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been a while, but: In the few cases where debian didn't boot, antiX often was a good shot for me. On some i couldn't even make that run.
but as said: been a while, and many things have changed. I got no CD's ...

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Re: Debian buster: are you testing?

#50 Post by Bulkley »

xepan wrote:In the few cases where debian didn't boot, antiX often was a good shot for me.
Yup. Antix boots. I spent a couple hours today on a MX live-USB trying to figure out the mechanics of how it differs from Debian. The Antix/MX crew is quite innovative. I tried FreeBSD but never got to a gui. You win some and lose some.

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Re: Debian buster: are you testing?

#51 Post by xepan »

None1975 wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:The trick is to point the sources to buster, run `apt update` then `apt-get -s dist-upgrade` then revert the sources back to stretch and `apt update` again to bring your box back to stable.
You can go from stable --> testing --> unstable. But the reverse direction is not "possible". Actually, if you are an expert and if you are willing to spend some time and if you are real careful and if you know what you are doing, then it might be possible to go from unstable to testing and then to stable. The installer scripts are not designed to do that. So in the process, your configuration files might be lost and...
No need for an expert here:
Set the sources.list to testing (codename) and then ... wait. wait a bit more, tired of waiting? wait a bit more. boom, back to stable.
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Re: Debian buster: are you testing?

#52 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

The transition freeze is today, there should be no more major upheavals in buster now.

EDIT: ran the `apt-get dist-upgrade` (from a running X session, ofc), everything went through just fine:

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|empty@shinken:~ $ cat /etc/os-release                                              
PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid"
NAME="Debian GNU/Linux"
ID=debian
HOME_URL="https://www.debian.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://www.debian.org/support"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.debian.org/"
empty@shinken:~ $
Go Debian! 8)
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