We are all mostly in agreement here than disagreement. I do think pasting commands and stuff to a new person who doesn't know what they are doing or HOW to apply the advice can be dangerous.Hallvor wrote: ↑2022-10-03 09:46I mostly agree. However, giving blank statements to a beginner, without us knowing anything about their system, and without them getting a basic understanding of their own system, is a disservice to anyone running a server.donald wrote: ↑2022-10-02 22:42 Asking about securing SSH with fail2ban is a question that could be answered fairly easily but may be complex for someone who is asking (the question) about it, especially regarding some of the other means of securing a server. Iptables can be daunting, fail2ban is a great option, sshguard is another option ... and so on. Depending on the users experience they might not even understand how to ask the question.
I had the same experience with that crowd many years ago. People weren't very nice. At ALL.Hallvor wrote: ↑2022-10-03 09:46Those were the times. I actually showed interest in GNU/Linux the first time in 1998. Back then there was very little info online (that I could find), so I headed over to the #debian IRC channel, asked a question and immediately got two RTFM-replies, without anyone ever telling me what fm to r.donald wrote: ↑2022-10-02 22:42 It is the line in the sand. Looking over some of the older posts it seems most users here have given a RTFM answer at some point. After the administration change last year all users were suggested to read the updated/new rules which made it clear those past behaviours were no longer welcome here. These are not rules me and not for thee, these guidelines are for everyone, users, moderators, and administrators.
Yes linking to that thread would have been ideal. I do it. Linked above.Hallvor wrote: ↑2022-10-03 09:46 Having first hand experience with it, I can honestly say that it wasn't even remotely helpful. But please assume good faith on my part here, as I'm trying to understand the little nuances: There is a stickied thread in this very forum that pretty much says RTFM/do your own research before asking. Is this just an anachronistic relic, or is it still allowed to link to it? If Segfault had simply pasted that link in the thread, would that be OK?
Relic maybe. I think we have far too many stickies here and people gloss over them ideally it should be:
* Forum Announcements (current)
* Forum Guidelines
-Original Forum Announcement - removed
-Debian COC could be linked to in the Guidelines thread
* What we expect.
-Don't reply to spam -removed
I'm here more often than you think, mainly in the background or the admin area, but do a lot of reading rather than posting. The administrators/moderators here do a lot of work also in the background like stopping us from getting overridden by spammers, fake accounts, checking IPs, and just as importantly: Sending PMs to users about their comments or tones ... they tend to do it in the background and I in the foreground.Hallvor wrote: ↑2022-10-03 09:46When you first came here, I was very pleased to have a Debian developer here, and I was hoping that we'd finally get someone who participated more actively. I think it suffices to say that a lot of stuff has happened here lately that never got reported and you obviously never saw. Arbitrariness is never popular, and if you want to make a change, please spend more time here, or find someone who will.donald wrote: ↑2022-10-02 22:42 There is a lot that occurs in the background but things can be missed with each staff member having different hours/time zones or time commitments, hitting the report button will definitely get the post noticed and the user made aware of the issue. If you or anyone has an issue with a mod/admin that you cannot work out send me a PM.
Again I'd express that I can miss things, if there is any issue going on and you think that I personally need to see it or attend to it, send me a PM or email, but you guys also need to use the report button so that the staff doesn't miss things. We do see the reports.
To your other point, I will post more and be more visible.