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[SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
I'm beginning to explore aptitude's TUI and after a few tries the advantage is clear but I've gotta say the UI is a bit less than intuitive
I mainly use synaptic for its search and filtering capabilities, things that could be done in a terminal window but no thank you
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
There is a basic intro here: https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude#Interactive_Usewizard10000 wrote: ↑2023-01-28 20:32I'm beginning to explore aptitude's TUI and after a few tries the advantage is clear but I've gotta say the UI is a bit less than intuitive
I'll add a few I use often enough to remember ...
l (lower L) = Limit shown packages to search string
i = rotate the info pane
C = show changelog
m/M = mark manual/auto
ctrl-u = UNDO
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
I'm not entirely sure if this is intended to be an insult, or just some strange form of word-salad nit-picking over semantics. Either way you're quoting yourself, so I'm going to ignore it.
If you're going for orbit, you probably want a little lean to the east to take advantage of the Oberth effect. I don't know what this has to do with apt vs. synaptic though.
A CLI is a CLI, regardless of how it is rendered. If you're typing in commands and getting responses line-by-line, you are interacting with a command-line interface.
More to the point, I can think of quite few scenarios where one might "require" CLI package managemnt tools, not least of which the vast majority of GNU/Linux servers not having a GUI of any sort installed.
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
Not really. Without a desktop behind it aptitude, even apt, will complete a large dist-upgrade somewhat faster than anything on a running desktop. I let synaptic poke through it, and go for another cup of coffee.
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
Well, a python script running on CLI can also be a bloaty mess compared to lean Bash or C. CLI isn't always the same speed.
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
Thanks - I may have to do my own cheat sheet for a few weeks. There are still things I'd prefer to do with synaptic but aptitude is such a good fit for Testing and Unstable that I think it's worth exploring.dilberts_left_nut wrote: ↑2023-01-28 22:13There is a basic intro here: https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude#Interactive_Use
I'll add a few I use often enough to remember ...
l (lower L) = Limit shown packages to search string
i = rotate the info pane
C = show changelog
m/M = mark manual/auto
ctrl-u = UNDO
All I've been doing is an alias that looks like this: alias upgrade = "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade" and I'm not scratching the surface of what I can do with aptitude but once I get the basics down I may not need synaptic any more
cheers - and thanks again.
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
I still think Aptitude is best used when all users are logged out and then drop to a tty as root.
So when Synaptic seems confused or I want some faster results I'd drop to a root tty. The F10 key then helps navigate. I've lost track of a script I used to use to load aptitude in an xserver xterm so I had a mouse and nicer fonts. It's been awhile since I've felt the advantage, synaptic matured well over the last releases.
There is the html based aptitude-doc package available for download in many languages.
So when Synaptic seems confused or I want some faster results I'd drop to a root tty. The F10 key then helps navigate. I've lost track of a script I used to use to load aptitude in an xserver xterm so I had a mouse and nicer fonts. It's been awhile since I've felt the advantage, synaptic matured well over the last releases.
There is the html based aptitude-doc package available for download in many languages.
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
Never really bothered to learn how to use Aptitude.
I do find it good for a couple of things, searching for packages left behind and obsolete packages.
aptitude purge ~c
aptitude search ?obsolete
For everything else I use apt. I do use Synaptic to look for things like games.
For updates and most install/removes I use apt.
I do find it good for a couple of things, searching for packages left behind and obsolete packages.
aptitude purge ~c
aptitude search ?obsolete
For everything else I use apt. I do use Synaptic to look for things like games.
For updates and most install/removes I use apt.
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
For me, aptitude did a bit too much heuristic guessing and that's something I never needed, so I just stuck with apt-get or apt in recent times.
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
I've got hotkeys for server and laptop terminator so got nicer fonts and mouse support, beginning to think that part of the sorta confusing UI is my fairly stubborn insistence on using 80x24 terminals even though Ihave no idea why I do this
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
There are several good docs for apt/aptitude:CwF wrote: ↑2023-01-29 16:37 I still think Aptitude is best used when all users are logged out and then drop to a tty as root.
So when Synaptic seems confused or I want some faster results I'd drop to a root tty. The F10 key then helps navigate. I've lost track of a script I used to use to load aptitude in an xserver xterm so I had a mouse and nicer fonts. It's been awhile since I've felt the advantage, synaptic matured well over the last releases.
There is the html based aptitude-doc package available for download in many languages.
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apti ... 02.en.html
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi ... et.en.html
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apti ... 02.en.html
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi ... ls.en.html
https://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude
The first 4 can be installed or downloaded.
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
Same here. apt for Sid with apt-listbugs. I have occasionally used Synaptic for package search but not installs, apt list, apt search, apt show, and apt policy pretty much cover package searching instead.
siduction have actually introduced nala for package management now, so another contender! It has weird behaviour of automatically running autoremove which is a Very Bad Idea® IMO but can be disabled in its conf file.
aptitude I have only ever used to attempt to resolve conflicts usually with third party repo or manually installed packages. and it has failed almost every time. Apart from conflict resolution, apt has pretty much the same functionality.
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nala is in the Debian repo. I installed it once to see how it did, but it displayed what appeared to be script errors when run, so I removed it.
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
Yeah I don't use it either but thought I'd mention it seeing siduction uses it. It is quite new and has seen significant recent development so may be a different beast from when you tried it. I'm familiar and happy with apt so will stick with it.
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
apt also wanted to install more than a dozen python3 packages, with nala. This was only a couple of weeks ago that I tried it.
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
Yeah, all the python dependencies and general slowness of python scripts compared to C or Bash is what turned me off nala as well, although I really like the looks of it. I think the dev is also here on our forums.
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Re: [SID - Unstable] Apt vs Synaptic
Nala's default uses apt full-upgrade which will remove packages. You can change that by editing the config file.
Nala's config is at /etc/nala/nala.conf
The line to edit is :
# Set to false to disable auto auto-removing
auto_remove = true
Nala's config is at /etc/nala/nala.conf
The line to edit is :
# Set to false to disable auto auto-removing
auto_remove = true