[Solved] New Intel CPU for Debian 10 (buster)

[LinuxOS]

Hello!
I need to use Debian 10 because my printer does not support driverless printing and it's drivers only work on Debian 10.
I've read that with Alder Lake P (12th generation CPUs) and all future Intel platforms, the GuC firmware and its usage is now mandatory since power management is offloaded to this micro-controller.

I want to assemble a new PC. It will have 2 SSDs, one with Debian 10 to work with printer and another with Debian 12 for general use.
I need a Intel CPU with integrated graphics and low power usage (preferable), that will work well with Debian 10 (buster).
Can I use 11th generation Intel CPU, or do I need to use older models (10th gen, 9th gen, 8th gen)?

Thanks!

[fabien]

Your printer issue is going to grow more and more complicated to resolve over time. Have you tried using this printer from a Debian 10 VM? This would solve your issue permanently, and you can test it now.
I had to use the Debian Backports kernel on Bullseye (Debian 11) with a 10th gen.

[LinuxOS]

Your printer issue is going to grow more and more complicated to resolve over time. Have you tried using this printer from a Debian 10 VM? This would solve your issue permanently, and you can test it now.
I had to use the Debian Backports kernel on Bullseye (Debian 11) with a 10th gen.

Thanks, using a VM is an interesting idea, I'll definitely give it a try!
What was the issue with Bullseye and 10th gen CPU?

[fabien]

What was the issue with Bullseye and 10th gen CPU?

I should have specified that. Absolutely no video, even on console, with the integrated graphics. Not a problem if you have a GPU though.

[LinuxOS]

It turns out that setting a VM is far beyond my expertise. I'm currently learning about Qemu and other VM related information.

Is there a way to install cups package from Debian 10 onto Debian 12?

[fabien]

It turns out that setting a VM is far beyond my expertise. I'm currently learning about Qemu and other VM related information.

If you install the virt-manager package, you have everything you need. The GUI is very easy to use. As I have a netfilter firewall, I need to allow forwarding for the bridge interface.

Is there a way to install cups package from Debian 10 onto Debian 12?

Don't even think about it.

[mrmazda]

I had to use the Debian Backports kernel on Bullseye (Debian 11) with a 10th gen.

I did too at first, with 65W TDP 11th gen, but not any more:

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# inxi -Cz
CPU:
  Info: 6-core model: 11th Gen Intel Core i5-11400 bits: 64 type: MT MCP
    cache: L2: 3 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 2600 min/max: 800/4400 cores: 1: 2600 2: 2600 3: 2600
    4: 2600 5: 2600 6: 2600 7: 2600 8: 2600 9: 2600 10: 2600 11: 2600 12: 2600
# inxi -GSaz
System:
  Kernel: 6.1.0-0.deb11.11-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1
    clocksource: tsc available: hpet,acpi_pm parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz
    root=LABEL=tm8p14deb11 noresume ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0
    consoleblank=0
  Desktop: Trinity v: R14.1.1 tk: Qt v: 3.5.0 info: kicker wm: Twin v: 3.0
    vt: 7 dm: 1: TDM 2: XDM Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel vendor: ASUSTeK driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-12.1
    process: Intel 10nm built: 2020-21 ports: active: DP-1,HDMI-A-1,HDMI-A-2
    empty: HDMI-A-3 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:4c8b class-ID: 0300
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
    unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3600x2640 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 762x558mm (30.00x21.97")
    s-diag: 944mm (37.18")
  Monitor-1: DP-1 pos: primary,bottom-l model: Acer K272HUL serial: <filter>
    built: 2018 res: 2560x1440 hz: 60 dpi: 109 gamma: 1.2
    size: 598x336mm (23.54x13.23") diag: 686mm (27") ratio: 16:9 modes:
    max: 2560x1440 min: 720x400
  Monitor-2: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-1 pos: top-left model: NEC EA243WM
    serial: <filter> built: 2011 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2
    size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes:
    max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480
  Monitor-3: HDMI-A-2 mapped: HDMI-2 pos: top-right model: Dell P2213
    serial: <filter> built: 2012 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2
    size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes:
    max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 vendor: intel mesa v: 20.3.5 glx-v: 1.4 es-v: 3.2
    direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel Graphics (RKL GT1)
    device-ID: 8086:4c8b memory: 2.93 GiB unified: yes
#

This thread is marked solved, but I'm missing where OP wrote so.

Buster ran fine on my 35W TDP 7th gen before I gave Trixie its disk space:

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# inxi -CSz
System:
  Kernel: 6.4.0-4-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Console: pty pts/0 Distro: Debian
    GNU/Linux trixie/sid
CPU:
  Info: quad core model: Intel Core i5-7500T bits: 64 type: MCP cache:
    L2: 1024 KiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 2225 min/max: 800/3300 cores: 1: 2700 2: 2700 3: 800
    4: 2700
#

[fabien]

This thread is marked solved, but I'm missing where OP wrote so.

Maybe the OP managed to get the printer working in a VM. Do you confirm this @LinuxOS?

I had to use the Debian Backports kernel on Bullseye (Debian 11) with a 10th gen.

I did too at first, with 65W TDP 11th gen, but not any more:

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# inxi -GSaz
System:
  Kernel: 6.1.0-0.deb11.11-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1

This is not the Bullseye kernel though, nor the backported kernel either. What kernel is it?

[mrmazda]

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...
# inxi -GSaz
System:
  Kernel: 6.1.0-0.deb11.11-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1

This is not the Bullseye kernel though, nor the backported kernel either. What kernel is it?

Interesting. My memory is failing on parts of the history resulting in this:

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# dpkg-query -W | grep linux-
firmware-linux-free     20200122-1
linux-base      4.6
linux-image-5.16.0-0.bpo.3-amd64        5.16.11-1~bpo11+1
linux-image-5.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64        5.16.12-1~bpo11+1
linux-image-5.18.0-0.deb11.4-amd64      5.18.16-1~bpo11+1
linux-image-6.0.0-0.deb11.2-amd64       6.0.3-1~bpo11+1
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.11-amd64      6.1.38-4~bpo11+1
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.7-amd64       6.1.20-2~bpo11+1
#

This was an upgrade from Buster on a multiboot Kaby Lake PC whose NVME I cloned when I built the Rocket Lake, more expedient to get the box up as desired than doing more than a dozen OS installations:

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# fdisk -l | grep nvme | wc -l
25
# parted -l | grep ebia
10      51.9GB  60.3GB  8389MB  ext4            TM8P10 Debian 12 Bookworm
14      85.4GB  93.8GB  8389MB  ext4            TM8P14 Debian 11 Bullseye
23      161GB   169GB   8389MB  ext4            TM8P23 Debian 13 Trixie
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[LinuxOS]

Yes, printer works in a Debian 10 VM. With this driver:
Pantum P2502 Linux Driver V1.1.106
Thanks!

[fabien]

Yes, printer works in a Debian 10 VM.

Great!

Interesting. My memory is failing on parts of the history resulting in this:

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# dpkg-query -W | grep linux-
firmware-linux-free     20200122-1
linux-base      4.6
linux-image-5.16.0-0.bpo.3-amd64        5.16.11-1~bpo11+1
linux-image-5.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64        5.16.12-1~bpo11+1
linux-image-5.18.0-0.deb11.4-amd64      5.18.16-1~bpo11+1
linux-image-6.0.0-0.deb11.2-amd64       6.0.3-1~bpo11+1
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.11-amd64      6.1.38-4~bpo11+1
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.7-amd64       6.1.20-2~bpo11+1
#

OK, it's a Debian Backports kernel, only you haven't upgraded to the latest version (linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-amd64).

[mrmazda]

you haven't upgraded to the latest version (linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-amd64).

apt-get full-upgrade doesn't seem to include a newer bpo kernel when available, and I didn't notice.

[fabien]

apt-get full-upgrade doesn't seem to include a newer bpo kernel when available, and I didn't notice.

Your linux-image-amd64 meta-package is probably the Bullseye one, you need to install the Backports one in order to have the backported kernels upgraded.

edit: your dpkg-query -W | grep linux- command shows that you have not installed a linux-image meta-package.

[mrmazda]

Your linux-image-amd64 meta-package is probably the Bullseye one, you need to install the Backports one in order to have the backported kernels upgraded.

edit: your dpkg-query -W | grep linux- command shows that you have not installed a linux-image meta-package.

What name does it go by? Linux-image-generic and linux-image-amd64 want to install 5.1x kernel:

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# aptitude search linux-ima | grep -v e-5.1
i A linux-image-6.0.0-0.deb11.2-amd64 - Linux 6.0 for 64-bit PCs (signed)
i  linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.11-amd64 - Linux 6.1 for 64-bit PCs (signed)
i  linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-amd64 - Linux 6.1 for 64-bit PCs (signed)
p  linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-amd64-dbg - Debug symbols for linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-amd64
p  linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-amd64-unsigned - Linux 6.1 for 64-bit PCs
p  linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-cloud-amd64 - Linux 6.1 for x86-64 cloud (signed)
p  linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-cloud-amd64-dbg - Debug symbols for linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-cloud-amd64
p  linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-cloud-amd64-unsigned - Linux 6.1 for x86-64 cloud
p  linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-rt-amd64 - Linux 6.1 for 64-bit PCs, PREEMPT_RT (signed)
p  linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-rt-amd64-dbg - Debug symbols for linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-rt-amd64
p  linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-rt-amd64-unsigned - Linux 6.1 for 64-bit PCs, PREEMPT_RT
i A linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.7-amd64 - Linux 6.1 for 64-bit PCs (signed)
p  linux-image-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
p  linux-image-amd64-dbg - Debugging symbols for Linux amd64 configuration (meta-package)
p  linux-image-amd64-signed-template - Template for signed linux-image packages for amd64
p  linux-image-cloud-amd64 - Linux for x86-64 cloud (meta-package)
p  linux-image-cloud-amd64-dbg - Debugging symbols for Linux cloud-amd64 configuration (meta-package)
v  linux-image-generic -
p  linux-image-rt-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
p  linux-image-rt-amd64-dbg - Debugging symbols for Linux rt-amd64 configuration (meta-package)
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[fabien]

What name does it go by? Linux-image-generic and linux-image-amd64 want to install 5.1x kernel

Installing a Package from Backports

All backports are deactivated by default so that the normal operation of a stable installation will not be compromised with potentially disruptive changes (such as incompatible configuration schema). Release files make this possible, and all backported packages are pinned to priority 100 via ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes. To install something from backports run one of:

apt install <package>/bookworm-backports
apt-get install <package>/bookworm-backports

or

apt install -t bookworm-backports <package>
apt-get install -t bookworm-backports <package>

You can type

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$> apt policy linux-image-amd64

to see all the downloadable versions.