[Discussion] What change, if implemented, would cause you to leave Debian?

[M22]

Recently I posted here.

It's not a change, but if something keeps breaking the OS after updates like mentioned there, that would be the only reason for me to rethink about it.

For now, I have finally decided to settle down with Debian. I hate changes. I love stability.

[sinterva]

Forcing me to jump into a newer set of software that I'm not ready to use for whatever reason... which seem to be a big thing in general here.

I've heard about wayland, but I'm still on the fence, using xfce.
I remember the gnome3 disaster, so I have no hurry to rush into something totally new that is the next "revolution".
Snap/flatpak I never really liked, so yeah I would not like losing apt.

I guess I use debian precisely because it is debian.
Just as my dad use arch because it is arch,
he like to feel good over having all the bleeding edge stuff.
I like to feel good because my system works!
I have timeshifted it and have backups of all my stuff, then I'm set, and it should just continue to work,
I don't have to worry about updates, breaking my system on each update, (or when I still dualbooted windows, forcing its way in when I least expected to wreck havok)
but if disaster happens it happens, but that is very rare on debian, especially after leaving Nvidia behind.

[cds60601]

Forcing me to jump into a newer set of software that I'm not ready to use for whatever reason... which seem to be a big thing in general here.

I've heard about wayland, but I'm still on the fence, using xfce.
I remember the gnome3 disaster, so I have no hurry to rush into something totally new that is the next "revolution".
Snap/flatpak I never really liked, so yeah I would not like losing apt.

I guess I use debian precisely because it is debian.
Just as my dad use arch because it is arch,
he like to feel good over having all the bleeding edge stuff.
I like to feel good because my system works!
I have timeshifted it and have backups of all my stuff, then I'm set, and it should just continue to work,
I don't have to worry about updates, breaking my system on each update, (or when I still dualbooted windows, forcing its way in when I least expected to wreck havok)
but if disaster happens it happens, but that is very rare on debian, especially after leaving Nvidia behind.

This is about the best contrasting POV you could read. As long as Debian gives the choice between X and Wayland (unlike some that appear to make Wayland the default), there isn't a reason to jump ship.
I will most likely be the last hold-out to use X as I do not anticipate giving up my beloved DWM.
And for the record, I could never get DWL to run properly with IPC patching being the stopping point (yes, I actually tried Wayland and DWL).

[sinterva]

This is about the best contrasting POV you could read. As long as Debian gives the choice between X and Wayland (unlike some that appear to make Wayland the default), there isn't a reason to jump ship.
I will most likely be the last hold-out to use X as I do not anticipate giving up my beloved DWM.
And for the record, I could never get DWL to run properly with IPC patching being the stopping point (yes, I actually tried Wayland and DWL).

I've yet to try either wayland/dwl or dwm, but I recognize the type of people pushing for abandoning X11 all over the place.
The kind of people who think they know what is best for me and you, because it is best for them.

I'm planning to try wayland, but maybe not today, too little left of the weekend.
As for dwm, it seems a bit on the difficult side for me, at this point in time at least.

[kent_dorfman766]

Forced adoption of systemd (now past tense, and I moved all my Debian systems to Devuan some time ago. I still consider that "close enough" to Debian though, since 90+% of packages are verbatim).
Removal of support for traditional daemons where systemd has similar functionality (e.g. logging, dns, dhcp etc.)
Forced adoption of other upcoming systemd/redhat-isms, such as full-screen QR code BSODs or removal of default TTYs in favour of "GUI is the primary interface".
Forced move to wayland (at least as long as it lacks feature parity, particularly network support).
Excessive pandering to GNOME, where it impacts use of other DEs, WMs, or the CLI.
Move to "immutable core" style distribution.
Forced adoption of snap / flatpak / appimage / static linking / other windows-esque commercial software friendly / "first party" packaging, or dilution of DFSG and/or maintainer oversight in general to cater to closed-source interests.

Any of those would be grounds to move away not just from Debian, but also any Debian derivatives... And possibly GNU/Linux in general, likely to FreeBSD.

I knew there was a reason I liked you. your list of gripes almost mirrors mine. LOL

[Marie SWE]

You'll eventually figure it out.

then i say.. figure out what.
I have figure out i can use it for fun, but not for work.