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As you can see from the picture provided, my machine is neither new nor powerful, but everything works very fast on it. Apparently, the developers of Ubuntu did a very good job, because the system is very fast and responsive. I don't want to cause any emotions, but it works SIGNIFICANTLY faster than Debian 12 (I had the same machine, with the same configuration. I installed Debian 12 with Gnome in it).
None1975 wrote: ↑2024-04-29 11:39
Apparently, the developers of Ubuntu did a very good job
OR the GNOME developers, OR the kernel developers, OR ...
(inclusive OR)
Share your Debian SCRIPTS There will be neither barrier nor walls, neither official nor guard, there will be no more desert and the entire world will become a garden. — Anacharsis Cloots
As you can see from the picture provided, my machine is neither new nor powerful, but everything works very fast on it. Apparently, the developers of Ubuntu did a very good job, because the system is very fast and responsive. I don't want to cause any emotions, but it works SIGNIFICANTLY faster than Debian 12 (I had the same machine, with the same configuration. I installed Debian 12 with Gnome in it).
Wow..that's a strong statement. Care to back that up with some stats? I am not questioning you - just curious to see some performance benchmarks Ubuntu 24.04 vs Debian 12, if you have them. I tried Ubuntu 24.04 in a Virtualbox and once I started Firefox, performance was as bad as any other distro. But no, I didn't really gather any stats.
alienspy wrote: ↑2024-04-28 16:09
In what aspects LMDE can be better for home use?
Sorry, guess I wasn't clear. What I'm suggesting is that LMDE probably has whatever features caused you to install Mint on your wife's computer. Then, having both of you on the same code base would simplify your job as system administrator. Switching both of you to LMDE would be an option, of course, but I assume you are running Debian because you prefer a desktop not supported by Mint.
The only reason i have installed Mint, not Debian, on wife's laptop is that i thought Mint to be more "mainstream". And that with more mainstream distro you will be possible to find more easily the needed information or software, from PPA, for example, or proprietary drivers. But now i think that Debian is completely fine for begginers also.
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It's true, Ubuntu (and therefore Mint main edition) has more apps than Debian (or LMDE). It's also more likely to run into regressions during update. That's the main trade-off between the two branches. Anyhoo, if Mint main edition is working for your wife, no reason to change. Switching her to LMDE was merely a suggestion, something to consider. Don't agree Debian is "completely fine" for beginners, by the way, but that's way off topic to this thread.
my2we9dy wrote: ↑2024-04-29 13:57
Wow..that's a strong statement. Care to back that up with some stats? I am not questioning you - just curious to see some performance benchmarks Ubuntu 24.04 vs Debian 12, if you have them. I tried Ubuntu 24.04 in a Virtualbox and once I started Firefox, performance was as bad as any other distro. But no, I didn't really gather any stats.
In previous versions (22.04) firefox (as snap package) worked slowly. And in this version of Ubuntu, the snap version works even faster than the one installed with the deb package.
I did all the measurements by eye. I did not use any special measuring tools. This is my subjective observation. But the sense of speed is very clearly felt. And considering that the system is installed on an old HDD (not SDD), this is especially fascinating to me. By the way, my system is ten years old….
I think the Ubuntu kernel team has brought some optimizations to the Linux kernel...Optimization and design (especially regarding fonts) is felt at every step....
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fabien wrote: ↑2024-04-29 11:52
OR the GNOME developers, OR the kernel developers, OR ...
(inclusive OR)
I think this is a credit to the Ubuntu kernel team. As for Gnome itself, Ubuntu's command has also contributed to its optimization. The fact is one - even at the highest loads, with an old HDD, the system just flies, without any hangs. What I could not say about Debian 12, although the system works well in it too....but I will repeat. I was very surprised by the performance of the system. Didn't expect that.
So if you are judging the OS speed by the speed of the browser, you are using unscientific method. It has nothing to do with ubuntu, but rather is down to the Firefox developers.
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So if you are judging the OS speed by the speed of the browser, you are using unscientific method. It has nothing to do with ubuntu, but rather is down to the Firefox developers.
Thanks @sunrat for the clue. I went ahead and tried it and yes, it does seem new Firefox seems to be faster. I created a new post here. viewtopic.php?t=159047
Fossy wrote: ↑2024-04-29 10:21
Please correct me if I'm wrong ...
Perhaps it's a language issue, but you've managed to miss my point completely. Even after I went to the trouble of clarifying it in the post you quote. The context of my suggestion was a household where one computer is using Debian and the other Mint regular edition. Anyhoo, if you prefer straight Debian over LMDE, that's what you should use. I dual boot them. They're very similar, except LMDE has better icons and an update manager I don't use.
my2we9dy wrote: ↑2024-04-17 13:04
They are calling it the best LTS ever. Just curious if anyone here even cares
I for one am tempted to install in Virtualbox and try it out.
Not I...I have no use for that pile of ... [insert explative]
Last time I checked, Canonical was still a bad actor with regard to unsolicited phone-home code embedded in their releases. At least every time I've installed it on a machine here, I started seeing suspicious outgoing traffic in my firewall logs, with no way to disable.
sunrat wrote: ↑2024-04-29 22:03
So if you are judging the OS speed by the speed of the browser, you are using unscientific method. It has nothing to do with ubuntu, but rather is down to the Firefox developers.
Personally, I have not written anywhere that I judge the speed of Ubuntu by how fast Firefox starts. I wrote that when copying large files (4Gb and more) and sending large files (8Gb and more) over torrent at the same time, the Ubuntu system works quickly without any hangs. What can't be said about Debian 12. And you don't need to use any specialized software to see it.
kent_dorfman766 wrote: ↑2024-04-30 04:35
Last time I checked, Canonical was still a bad actor with regard to unsolicited phone-home code embedded in their releases. At least every time I've installed it on a machine here, I started seeing suspicious outgoing traffic in my firewall logs, with no way to disable.
Yes, I agree. Version 22.04 was no good. Something was constantly breaking, there were reports of breakages. But this latest version doesn't have all this. Works very stable and fast. And that surprised me very pleasantly.
kent_dorfman766 wrote: ↑2024-04-30 04:35
Last time I checked, Canonical was still a bad actor with regard to unsolicited phone-home code embedded in their releases. At least every time I've installed it on a machine here, I started seeing suspicious outgoing traffic in my firewall logs, with no way to disable.
Yes, I agree. Version 22.04 was no good. Something was constantly breaking, there were reports of breakages. But this latest version doesn't have all this. Works very stable and fast. And that surprised me very pleasantly.
Which really has nothing to do with it being spyware. It's just now "well written" spyware.
kent_dorfman766 wrote: ↑2024-05-02 14:12
Which really has nothing to do with it being spyware. It's just now "well written" spyware.
Hello.
If you have evidence of this, please post it here.
Not gonna bother since most of the 2024 herd isn't as concerned as they should be. The "evidence" is clear to anyone who knows how to use wireshark or a pcap ethernet sniffer to watch all the unsolicited connections with canonnical, regardless of what they end user attempts to disable. Cannonical is "no good" for true personal security and privacy.
kent_dorfman766 wrote: ↑2024-05-11 01:46
Not gonna bother since most of the 2024 herd isn't as concerned as they should be. The "evidence" is clear to anyone who knows how to use wireshark or a pcap ethernet sniffer to watch all the unsolicited connections with canonnical, regardless of what they end user attempts to disable. Cannonical is "no good" for true personal security and privacy.
I thought so. Just abstract words and nothing more.
