[Testing - Trixie] Bad news after reinstalling (but good news follow)

[TiberiusKG]

Hi there,

Needed a fresh install on my laptop; everything went smooth, but when I started installing my usual stuff, the first shock came when attempting to install wine:i386:

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Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

Unsatisfied dependencies:
libwine:i386 : Depends: libgphoto2-6t64:i386 (>= 2.5.10) but it is not going to be installed
                Depends: libgphoto2-port12t64:i386 (>= 2.5.10) but it is not going to be installed
Error: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

Then, the next shock came when attempting to install Qt Creator:

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Package qtcreator is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source

Error: Package 'qtcreator' has no installation candidate

This is a biggie for me... So big that I had to get the qt-creator-opensource-linux-x86_64-13.0.2.run from the Qt site and install it, which I don't like to do (versioning problems when configuring Kits). When looking at tracker pages of packages that I miss, I keep seeing problems with unsolvable dependencies. Blender and 0ad (the only game that I used to play occasionally) have gone since longer time, now these two; if KiCad and FreeCad will also be removed, I can just as well stop computing (exaggerating a little here: I still have the desktop in a usable state ).

This state of things has pushed me to consider going back to Stable, and try back-ports for a newer kernel to keep the sound working on my laptop. But here is the question that worries me: what if at the time when Trixie is to become Stable, the current dependency problems will still be unfixed? Will the older working Bookworm packages be kept (dragging older dependencies along), or will the affected packages be missing?

[sunrat]

Testing is always in a transitional stage. Transitions seem to be coming thick and fast currently.
Generally it's advised to use Stable, especially for production systems, and only move to Trixie after it becomes Stable. Dependencies should be sorted then.

[TiberiusKG]

move to Trixie after it becomes Stable. Dependencies should be sorted then.

Yeah, but in the hopefully-only-hypothetical case that they will not be solved by then (manpower and motivation are quite serious factors), what will be the fate of the affected packages in the stable Trixie?

[miegiel]

my 2ct (unstable = sid)

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apt -a list qtcreator

qtcreator/unstable 14.0.2-4 amd64
qtcreator/stable 9.0.2-2 amd64

Returning to the issue, I think you replaced the stable repros with the testing repros
I think it's better to add the testing repos to the stabble repros
That way installing qtcreator will just work

(repros, repro's, reproes, you choose)

[TiberiusKG]

Fine, I choose "repos" (short form of "repositories").
Anyway, thanks for trying to help, but I have the testing repos because I am on Testing - Trixie. Anything about stable Trixie in the posts above refers to some time in future.

I had installed Bookworm a couple of times in the meanwhile, installed kernel 6.10.11 from backports, tried out "dynamic" (iGPU+dGPU) mode (nVidia dGPU is there, but unselectable), plus a few other things. Negative points:

• wifi was working during installation, and then no longer after installation (luckily I can plug my wifi box into USB)

• My applications that I have compiled with Qt6 quietly refuse to start (I could fix this, but I feel like stepping back)

On the positive side, all the applications that I am missing are still there, and for that reason, I will install Bookworm on another disk on my desktop.

Finally, I have ended up reinstalling Trixie; Bookworm is simply no good match for my laptop. Regarding the applications that got stuck in the "dependency hell", I will try to adopt sunrat's optimism that problems will get sorted, in spite of having seen words like "unsolvable" describing them, and do my programming work on the desktop, weathering the frequent power outages in my area.

[stevepusser]

I think it's better to add the testing repos to the stabble repros

For others, without expertise in setting repository package preferences, that's been a sure recipe for a borked system. Is this just a feeling that you have, or can you back this up?

[TiberiusKG]

I have finally managed to get a working Qt Creator on my laptop! I have tried before the qt-creator-opensource-linux-x86_64-13.0.2.run package because that is the version that works on my desktop. But I could not get it to run, because many Qt libraries of version 6.7.2 are already installed, conflicting with Qt Creator's expectations. I was not sure which Qt Creator version is built against the 6.7.2 framework, so I have just tried out qt-creator-opensource-linux-x86_64-14.0.2.run, after having installed all framework-related packages from the Trixie repository, and everything works fine, including the clang stuff (clang/llvm seems to have caused the removal of the Qt Creator package from Trixie), in spite of Qt Creator 14.0.2 being built against the 6.7.3 framework.

The package is not installed as usual; instead, it is installed in the qtcreator-14.0.2 folder inside my user directory, and I will definitely switch to the repository version as soon as it becomes available, but until then, this "workaround" will have to serve me.

By the way, I have dusted my two older laptops (one Toshiba Satellite P850 and one HP HDX9390) and installed Bookworm on them, plus on an extra disk on my desktop (it has a push-in bay, allowing me to easily swap disks), and I want to use this opportunity to give compliments to the people working on the installer: I have used both Trixie and Bookworm installers really often in the last two days, and each time absolutely without any issues! Thank you, guys!

The non-functional wifi after installation seems to be normal Bookworm behaviour (unlike Trixie): you are expected to create a new connection and configure it. On a minimal setup, even the tool to do so is missing; had to download network-manager and do the job with it.

To my (positive) surprise, Bookworm features Qt 6.4.2 (last time I looked, it was 5.15.??), and my projects build and run just fine!

[TiberiusKG]

I was overjoyed to find out that the wine and 0ad packages have made it back into Trixie! Thank you maintainers! And the hope that blender and qtcreator will also come back soon has just increased.

[TiberiusKG]

qtcreator is back too! Now I am positive that it is only a matter of short time until Blender makes it too.