Why I'm staying with Debian
Why I'm staying with Debian
Bruce Byfield lists in his blog some reasons why he has decided to stay with Debian.
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- txHarleyMan
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"Almost as important as Debian’s technical excellence and arrangements is the community around the distribution. This community is one of the most outspoken and free-thinking in free and open source software. This behavior is a source of irritation to many, including Ian Murdock, the founder of the distribution and my former boss, who thinks that the distribution would run more smoothly if its organization was more corporate."
Yep. Sure did.
Yep. Sure did.
txHarleyMan
Debian Etch
Debian Etch
I would go so far as to say that, unless you have experience in managing a mixed Testing/Unstable environment, you are not really a Debian user.This system means that most experienced Debian users have a mixed system, with packages from more than one repository — an arrangement that is far preferable to blindly updating because an icon in the notification tray tells you that updates are available. It also means that official releases don’t mean very much; usually, by the time one arrives, you usually have everything that it has to offer anyway.
Debian-Lenny/Sid 32/64
Desktop: Generic Core 2 Duo, EVGA 680i, Nvidia
Laptop: Generic Intel SIS/AC97
Desktop: Generic Core 2 Duo, EVGA 680i, Nvidia
Laptop: Generic Intel SIS/AC97
I would say you are a debian user. But you are not taking advantage of one of the greatest benefits of debian....or maybe you are since you have the choice but are choosing not to make use of it. Maybe I would say you aren't making full use of what debian provides, but that is okay.rickh wrote: I would go so far as to say that, unless you have experience in managing a mixed Testing/Unstable environment, you are not really a Debian user.
That being said, gimp2.4 ROCKS!
Having the knowledge to efficiently manage a mixed system does not mean that that has to be your choice for day to day use; only that you really understand Debian's design and how to take advantage of it.I would add that I have some experiences in using mixed system, and now I use Etch
Debian-Lenny/Sid 32/64
Desktop: Generic Core 2 Duo, EVGA 680i, Nvidia
Laptop: Generic Intel SIS/AC97
Desktop: Generic Core 2 Duo, EVGA 680i, Nvidia
Laptop: Generic Intel SIS/AC97
- hellfire[bg]
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I like it very much of all the other distros, along with Slackware. Besides debian having a very good & large community and one of the best package management systems around.
It so easy, even a caveman can use it!
It so easy, even a caveman can use it!
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I can tell you why I am staying with Debian Etch, I love stability and consistency. and so far, in my limited time using Etch, I have had absolutely NO "overwhelming" issues. everything works out very easily, very smoothly, exactly because it has been so thoroughly tested.
For my personal at home machine, I am keeping Debian etch as a permanent fixture.
vaya con dios y canta al cielo
Big Bear
For my personal at home machine, I am keeping Debian etch as a permanent fixture.
vaya con dios y canta al cielo
Big Bear
- txHarleyMan
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It is best to pick a release and stick with it. Or for the /must haves/, add the Backports repo in your sources.list file.rickh wrote:I would go so far as to say that, unless you have experience in managing a mixed Testing/Unstable environment, you are not really a Debian user.
Sure, you can mix packages from the different repositories as long as you understand Pinning correctly otherwise you shoot yourself in the foot.
So I use Etch; Debian Etch.
txHarleyMan
Debian Etch
Debian Etch
*Goes to check that he installed Debian Etch on his machine, not Edgy*rickh wrote: I would go so far as to say that, unless you have experience in managing a mixed Testing/Unstable environment, you are not really a Debian user.
Check!
*Again checks if he's got Debian Etch on his machine instead of an Ubuntu*
Yep, check!
*Wonders if rickh has some elitist issues*
Check!
BTW, do you consider Debian users who use non-free to not be real Debian users?
Nope, non-free is fine. It's also OK to use Etch, if you are sure that you have the skill and Debian familiarity necessary to manage a mixed Lenny/Sid installation. Otherwise, you are just a stiff with limited curiosity and imagination. You probably needed help to get Etch working properly, which is about as brain-dead an operation as there is in Linux.BTW, do you consider Debian users who use non-free to not be real Debian users?
Debian-Lenny/Sid 32/64
Desktop: Generic Core 2 Duo, EVGA 680i, Nvidia
Laptop: Generic Intel SIS/AC97
Desktop: Generic Core 2 Duo, EVGA 680i, Nvidia
Laptop: Generic Intel SIS/AC97
- JN4OldSchool
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You reckon Linus ever managed to figure her out?rickh wrote:Nope, non-free is fine. It's also OK to use Etch, if you are sure that you have the skill and Debian familiarity necessary to manage a mixed Lenny/Sid installation. Otherwise, you are just a stiff with limited curiosity and imagination. You probably needed help to get Etch working properly, which is about as brain-dead an operation as there is in Linux.BTW, do you consider Debian users who use non-free to not be real Debian users?
I think it's safe to say that Linus has the necessary skills.You reckon Linus ever managed to figure her out?
http://blog.hands.com/blosxom/images/linus.jpg
Debian-Lenny/Sid 32/64
Desktop: Generic Core 2 Duo, EVGA 680i, Nvidia
Laptop: Generic Intel SIS/AC97
Desktop: Generic Core 2 Duo, EVGA 680i, Nvidia
Laptop: Generic Intel SIS/AC97
Linus Torvalds has barely figured out html yet:JN4OldSchool wrote:You reckon Linus ever managed to figure her out?rickh wrote:Nope, non-free is fine. It's also OK to use Etch, if you are sure that you have the skill and Debian familiarity necessary to manage a mixed Lenny/Sid installation. Otherwise, you are just a stiff with limited curiosity and imagination. You probably needed help to get Etch working properly, which is about as brain-dead an operation as there is in Linux.BTW, do you consider Debian users who use non-free to not be real Debian users?
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/torvalds/
He's an obsessive. He's totally brilliant in his own field and a total noob at most everything else. For instance his opinions about Debian are years out of date but like a total noob he still expresses them with complete conviction. (I did agree with him on the KDE/Gnome thing though). I like the bloke a lot. Does anyone else look at that wide smile of his and remember the cover of "MAD Magazine"?
- JN4OldSchool
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He was wrong on his outspokenness on the Gnome thing also. I always favored KDE myself, though I use XFCE and would consider e17 before either KDE or Gnome, but that is all beside the point. I am not saying Linus isnt allowed his opinions, just that I thought a man of his caliber would have more integrity then to say some of the things he does. The truth is there are things you can do in Gnome easily that are harder or cant be done in KDE and vice versa. Try to make a top panel opaque and the bottom colored in KDE. I have used Gnome and didnt find it limited at all. It is such a stupid argument when both, many desktop environments are freely available. The same with the distro wars crap. Debian isnt any harder to install than any other distro for anyone who has even dabbled in Linux for more than a few months. It was a stupid statement from a brilliant man who should have known better.jozyba wrote:Linus Torvalds has barely figured out html yet:JN4OldSchool wrote:You reckon Linus ever managed to figure her out?rickh wrote: Nope, non-free is fine. It's also OK to use Etch, if you are sure that you have the skill and Debian familiarity necessary to manage a mixed Lenny/Sid installation. Otherwise, you are just a stiff with limited curiosity and imagination. You probably needed help to get Etch working properly, which is about as brain-dead an operation as there is in Linux.
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/torvalds/
He's an obsessive. He's totally brilliant in his own field and a total noob at most everything else. For instance his opinions about Debian are years out of date but like a total noob he still expresses them with complete conviction. (I did agree with him on the KDE/Gnome thing though). I like the bloke a lot. Does anyone else look at that wide smile of his and remember the cover of "MAD Magazine"?