how to back up data and impact on the environment

[Head_on_a_Stick]

Desktop computers are very heavy and require a cost of transportation, and a higher cost in a isolated small city.

In my country computers fall under the WEEE regulations[1] and so incur a significant cost of disposal. That being the case I would presume that recouping costs through re-sale would be pretty commonplace.

[1] http://www.hse.gov.uk/waste/waste-electrical.htm

[MagicPoulp]

Desktop computers are very heavy and require a cost of transportation, and a higher cost in a isolated small city.

In my country computers fall under the WEEE regulations[1] and so incur a significant cost of disposal. That being the case I would presume that recouping costs through re-sale would be pretty commonplace.

[1] http://www.hse.gov.uk/waste/waste-electrical.htm

For a company, or a private person, sending to recycling only costs for transportation. They do not care if the recycling process is complex and costly at the disposal facility. The "cost of disposal" by transporting for recycling is insignificant. They do it in bulk with lots of other things they recycle at the same time. This bulk way of sending to recycling is harder to do for reselling computers. The transportation of computers to resell should avoid damage. You cannot do it in bulk in a small company.

Always a small detail. Laptops can be resold so you claim it applies to all computers even heavy desktop computers.

You guys here always find small detail and claim it to assert the absolute truth or falseness of a generalized statement such as "reselling computers second-hand is common place". The problem does not lie in discussing the detail, but in the logic used. It is not simple to evaluate and prove the degree of truth of a general statement. One can build a personal opinion based on facts and personal experience. I asked in my company and they said they don't resell they send to recycling. This is quite common sense given the heaviness of a desktop computer.

[Head_on_a_Stick]

Well maybe you're right about old desktops being junked but there are *many* backup methods available for both Debian and Ubuntu so I really can't see what this thread is about.

[MagicPoulp]

Well maybe you're right about old desktops being junked but there are *many* backup methods available for both Debian and Ubuntu so I really can't see what this thread is about.

Fine. I just expressed my opinion that I think it is not user friendly enough to backup, even with existing tools. I gave the example of apt and systemd. Before those, it was already considered good enough with existing tools. Still, new tools made Linux more accessible.

It is not the first time I have an opinion against the stream. Previously I said that the debian installer has too many manual and intermediate steps. Previously, I said that mixing stable and testing is manageable though dangerous.

I think it is an interesting topic that the state of debian can actually affect the environment. If a system is used by millions of computers, it could be so. I am saddened that payable OSes still have a so large market share. Payable OS often have the pattern to make you slower so you buy more.

[MagicPoulp]

PErhaps there are tools to copy partitions that are well documented for Ubuntu. If you want to move it to another computer, you need to either take a long time to install debian to have grub or manually install grub using a live CD. Then you need to reconfigure the UUIDs. You need to use the bcd command hack on windows to make the windows partition point to the linux partition (or windows keeps overriding the priority). You need to use gparted to partition. And other details.

In my company they have separate computers for windows and linux in the same room, because the IT guys with a tool for remote installation can't support double boot that is too complex. Windows overriding the boot order makes things harrder since it is not well documented.

People will wonder how can backup be linked to double boot and installation. A backup has more value only if you can easily install it.

[ramack]

That story had a sheep last I heard it.

Maybe they ran out of sheep?